Thursday, May 14, 2009

LOST Season 5 Episode 16 & 17 - The Incident

Hello Losties! I'm sure many of you are annoyed at what happened on the last episode of LOST this season. All the hints were there from the producers and Benjamen Linus himself (Michael Emerson) that we might get a little frustrated at the end of the episode. But hey, there is only one season to go right? Season 6 - The season of Answers is on the brink of existence! In 8.5 months we may finally start to be able to piece this together. And in the meantime, we have plenty of juicy intel dumped onto us tonight to digest over those many months of LOST hibernation!

Before we get too far into the blog, I wanted to welcome our viewers from the Tampa Bay area who may have seen me make a fool of myself on the local ABC Action News! Thinking more about the crazy theories I came up with LIVE on the air, I know that no one should be put under the gun immediately after a big episode airs because you may say something you regret! Anyway, for our readers around the globe that want to see this wonderful few minutes of my debut to the press, I will work on that over the next few weeks (or months). To the Tampa contingent, I promise you, you may get more out of my processed thoughts than my immediate ON-AIR thoughts so stick around and discuss with us!

One word to sum up our Penultimate Finale to the GRAND FINALE Season next year....you know what it is! WOW!!!! I mean what didn't this episode have? Romance, Gun Fights, Explosions, ROSE AND BERNARD!!!!, Vincent, intriguing flashbacks, the Black Rock, the 4 toed statue in its entirety, a tidbit on Richard, information on John Locke, Marvin Candle/Pierre Chang's Hand injury, a scene with Sun and Jin together, Phil getting what he deserves!, someone shutting Radzinsky up for a brief moment in time, oh right and we met the almighty one known as JACOB! And the way he is introduced to us is quite intriguing! Let's not waste any time as this blog is going to be quite large (as all finale blogs are). As I always say, you have plenty of time during this off-season to read it!

The Synopsis: In 1977, Jack is carrying out Daniel Faraday's mission to detonate the Hydrogen Bomb and prevent the Incident that inevitably brings Oceanic Flight 815 to the Island and causes 3 years of turmoil for the Island residents. Kate has been captured by DHARMA and put on the SUB with Juliet and Sawyer. Destination REAL WORLD! Hurley, Miles and Jin are still hanging around DHARMAVILLE trying to figure out what to do next. In 2007, John Locke is leading an expedition with Ben, Richard and all of the OTHERS to go see Jacob. His secret mission only revealed to Ben is to KILL Jacob. The Ajira 316 "Shadow of the Statue" crew are also on the move. Oh right, and then there is that little story of JACOB's big reveal in our Flashback scenes. Did Locke succeed with his mission? Was Jack able to alter the course of time? What exactly is Jacob and what has he been up to his whole life? Let's dive in and discuss!

The Flashbacks
We had an interesting series of flashbacks tonight focusing on the majority of our main characters and their past interactions with the pseudo-deity of the Island. Did these events set off a chain of other events that led them to the island in the first place? But first, we get a scene from a long time ago:

Jacob's Introduction
  • The first shot of Jacob we get is creating a tapestry of sorts. His location is a mystery at the time but there is a fire in the middle of the ancient room.

  • We see Jacob fishing and watching a boat sailing in. Oh yes folks, it's the Black Rock! So we are dating back some several hundred years. (1400's/1500's?)  
    Correction: We have a confirmed year of the Black Rock in season 4's "THE CONSTANT" dating around 1845.  I was off only a couple hundred years! 

  • There is a mysterious man with Jacob talking to him about the ship. They discuss how Jacob BROUGHT them here. Based on what we see later, it seems like Jacob has been recruiting people to bring to the Island over various periods of time. But for what purpose?

  • The Mysterious man talks about how it always ends the same way "They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same way" Jacob says "It only ends once, anything before that is just progress" What on earth are they talking about? Are they talking about the various crews that have come to the island or are they talking about the BLACK ROCK crew specifically? Are they experiencing the Time Loop over and over again and retaining the memories from each loop? Is that what the man means by "always ends the same way" and what Jacob means by "it only ends once" and the events before is just progress towards that one ending? Was that the clue of all clues? Because the Come/Fight/Destroy/Corrupt could apply to DHARMA and the LOSTIES as well. So it could be more generic. But if it was a Time Loop, then why would the Jacob and the man pretend to not know why the Black Rock was showing up? And, if the producers are telling us that the TIME TRAVEL stories are in fact over for good, then are we really going to continue discussing this Time Loop?
  • Also, if the Black Rock is sailing towards the Island, how on earth did it end up land locked in the middle of the Island when we see it in 2004? I just figured that at some point the Island was moved and the boat ended up marooned in the middle of the island when the Island showed up in its location. I guess there might be more to it. I believe we will be finding much more out about the Black Rock in season 6 as we are told it may hold some keys to the Island's secrets.
  • This Man also tells Jacob that he wants to kill him. Jacob knows it. The man says he is going to find a "loophole" to be able to do it. Okay, what? So why won't he just kill Jacob right there? Is it similar to why Ben knew he couldn't kill Widmore in their off-island visit in season 4? And what is this Loophole? I mean, we sorta find out the solution to the loophole by the end of the episode, but we still don't know what it's all about. If it's a time loop, then I have some crazy ideas (one of which I shared without fully explaining myself on the Tampa news!) but we'll get to that later.
  • Oh right, we found out that Jacob and Mystery Man were hanging out at the 4 toed Statue in its entirety! There were many speculations that the statue was the Egyptian God of the Underworld Anubis or the Egyptian Goddess of Fertility and Rebirth Taweret. It looks like the latter is the correct one. With the 2 Ankh's, one in each hand, which we had speculated before and the more rounded face, it seems like the statue is of Taweret. No pregnant belly though!

  • So what does this signifiy? Well, we know that eventually there are fertility issues on the island and woman die during their pregnancies if they conceive on-island. Could this have something to do with the demise of the statue? We saw Juliet deliver a baby in 1977. But we never confirmed if that statue was still there in 1977. Could it be that "THE INCIDENT" caused the statue to crumble? Or was the comment of the Black Rock crew "DESTROYING" foreshadowing their part in destroying the statue? They sure left us with a lot of questions going into the final season of LOST didn't they?! I dunno, I'm still undecided if this think is Tawaret or Anubis though. I mean, this thing clearly doesn't have a belly! Don't get me started on the Crocodile God Sobek! While the face does look a little reptilian, I just don't think the LOST crew would make the 4 toed statue the Protector from Crocodiles! But the producers did say we would definitively be able to tell what the statue is by the end of the finale, so WHAT SAY YOU Lost Addicts Blog readers?
  • Also we should note that Jacob was wearing a white shirt while his rival was wearing a black shirt. Ever since season 1 there has been this theme of black and white, light and dark. The black and white stones with the Adam and Eve skeletons, Locke's explanation of backgammon, etc... Even the name of the approaching ship is the "BLACK" Rock. Is this to suggest that Jacob is a force for good and this other man is a force for evil? Even possibly Smoke Monster related? Ahhhh....gotta love LOST!
Kate's Flashback
Does anyone remember way back in season 1 when the Kate-centric episode had us going back to finding out whose toy airplane she had robbed a bank for? It turned out to be her childhood friend Tom. They buried a Time Capsule in season 1 in a lunch box that had a tape of them having fun as kids, the toy airplane amongst other things. Well, apparently Jacob played a role in Kate getting the almighty New Kids on the Block lunch box!
  • Boy Tom was carrying his toy plane while he stood guard when Kate shoplifted the lunchbox. They were caught by the store clerk. No Fear though, Jacob was there, appearing the same age as he did in the Black Rock era, offered to pay for it. He advised little Kate to never steal again and to be good. Which is ironic because older Kate staged a robbery just to get that crazy plane back.
  • So did Jacob's interaction do anything to set Kate on a course of events that led her to become a fugitive and end up on Oceanic 815? It doesn't seem so on the surface, but going back to the first scene of the episode, it seemed like Jacob was watching over these people right from the beginning and controlling their destinies. I guess the big question is WHY? And, is this how the OTHERS were able to have so much detailed information on all of the survivors of 815? We started to believe that it was because Ben was aware that he lived with several of them for years in DHARMA times (Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, Jin). But if Jacob has been a mastermind and pulling all of the strings and making lists, that might make more sense.
Sawyer's Flashback
We are reminded of James "Sawyer" Ford's motivation to become the con-man that he is. John Locke's father conned his parents out of some money by seducing the mother. Sawyer's dad ended up killing mommy and then himself. We knew that the boy James wrote a letter to the real con-man Sawyer (Locke's father went by many aliases) that he carried with him his whole life so that he may one day read it to the man before he killed him.
  • We see James at his parents' funeral. He stays back to begin writing the letter when his pen runs out of ink. Jacob is there to offer him a new one. He apologizes for the loss and continues on.
  • A relative/friend of the family finds James' letter and tells him to not finish it and to move on. What's Done is Done.
  • We know that Sawyer does go on to finish that letter and Locke sets up a meeting between his father and Sawyer in the Black Rock on the island. So Jacob, helped instigate the role that Sawyer would play for his entire life. That does seem to be meddling a bit doesn't it?
Sayid's Flashback
When Sayid left the Island in January 2005 he found his true love Nadia and went to live a happy life until 10 months later, we see him in Iraq at Nadia's funeral. Ben meets him there and recruits Sayid to become an assasin and blames Charles Widmore as the man responsible for Nadia's death. We never did find out if Ben was speaking the truth or manipulating Sayid for personal gain.
  • Our new scene shows Sayid and Nadia in Los Angeles enjoying each other's company and discussing their anniversary. They begin crossing an intersection. Jacob is there and claims to be lost and asks Sayid for directions. While asking for directions Nadia is hit be a vehicle and then the vehicle runs off.
  • This scene is very similar to Season 3's "Not in Portland" where Juliet jokingly tells Richard Alpert that if her Ex-Husband was a hit by a bus, she might be able to take him up on his offer to do research for Mittlos BioSciene. Alas, we then see her Ex hit by a bus out of nowhere. Coincidence? Richard and Jacob both around for these events? And we must not forget about them bringing Anthony Cooper (Locke's Dad) to the Island via a car accident as well. What is up with THE OTHERS and spontaneous car accidents?
  • Of course, we didn't get a look at the driver. Is it indeed the man working for Widmore that Ben pointed out to Sayid last season? Was Jacob really saving Sayid from sharing in Nadia's fate? But at the same time, ensuring that Sayid remained alive to travel back to the island and shoot Ben as a child? Yikes, anyone else have a headache?
  • Nadia asks Sayid to take her home, this implying why they went back to Iraq for the funeral.
Ilana's Flashback
We did not know much about Ilana's motivation going into this episode. We suspected that she was working for Ben Linus. We know she seduced Sayid and got him to board Ajira Flight 316 with her. Well our new scene is just as perplexing but at least we got more information on who she is working for.
  • We find Ilana in a run-down hospital somewhere with her face all bandaged up. Jacob comes to see her and they clearly know each other. Jacob speaks in Russian apologizing that he wasn't there sooner. Ilana says that she is happy he is there. Jacob says he is there for her help and she agrees to help.
  • Well what happened to Ilana? Why do they know each other? Was Ilana recruited by Jacob to get Sayid back to the Island as well as whatever other purpose she was asked to come to the island for?
Locke's Flashback
Speaking of the ever present Anthony Cooper (Locke's Father), he was also the one that caused Locke's paralysis in an attempt to kill him. He pushed him out a window and Locke fell 8 stories to the ground breaking his back. Now we see the scene from Jacob's perspective:
  • Jacob is sitting on a bench reading Flannery O'Connor's Everything That Rises Must Converge. The book is a collection of short stories that Flannery wrote during her final illness. Speculate at your leisure!

  • We see John Locke fall from behind Jacob. Jacob, clearly expecting this to happen, casually puts his bookmark into the book and walks over to John. It appears that John is laying there lifeless until Jacob puts his hand on John's shoulder. John gasps for air as Jacob tells him "Don't worry everything is going to be alright. I'm sorry this happened to you"
  • Ummm......HUH? Does Jacob have healing powers? And if so, was he able to touch Locke to revive him but still manage to keep him paralyzed? It has been spoken of in season 3 and 4 that that fall should have killed Locke, so it would seem that Jacob's intervention here was necessary for him to be alive. On-Island there is speculation to Jacob's involvement in Locke being alive after death as well, but we need to discuss that separately. There are also tie-ins to Richard's ageless mystery as well.
Jin and Sun Flashback
The only scene this season that featured Jin and Sun together. Very fitting that it be their wedding. They exchange their vows. Jin's talks about them never ever being apart because it would be like the sky being apart from the earth.
  • Yep, Jacob is there too. He offers a blessing in perfect Korean. "Your Love is a very special thing. Never take it for granted"
  • Something to note that I did not mention in the above flashbacks. Jacob touched each one of our Oceanic People. In the Kate Flashback, he touched her nose. Sawyer, they touched hands at the passing of the pen. Sayid, when Nadia was hit by the car, Jacob's hand goes to Sayid's shoulder. He touched Locke's shoulder. And when he gives the blessing he touches both Jin and Sun's arms. What does this signify? I have no idea, but it would be odd if it was merely coincidence. Also, he did not lay a hand on Ilana.






Jack's Flashback
We know this scene very well. In the Pilot episode Jack explains the scene when he rips a young girl's dural sack in his first solo surgery. He explained to Kate how he counted to 5 and it got rid of the nerves. We never know that it was his father Christian that instructed him to do the counting embarassing Jack in the process. In either case it worked.
  • Jack then goes to the vending machine to try and get out an Apollo bar. It gets stuck.
  • Christian comes out and explains that the crisis was averted and the girl is okay. Jack flips out on his dad claiming that he needs his team to believe in him especially with Christian being the Chief of Surgery. Jack claims Christian doesn't believe in him. Christian claims it was the other way around.
  • Enter Jacob with 2 apollo bars. He asked if one was Jack's. They focus in on the hands as Jacob exchanges the bar to Jack and touches his hand. Jack looks at him funny and then awkwardly smiles.

  • So do we think it's a coincidence that Jacob touched Locke and woke him up in his flashback and Jack's "future wife (at the time)" Sarah was paralyzed and Jack's surgery miraculously cured her? Do we think Jacob played a role in her recovery? Perhaps it goes back to this very moment where Jack and Jacob exchanged candy bars and touched hands? Seems pretty far fetched right now. But how else could Sarah have been cured?
Juliet's Flashback
No Jacob involved in this one as far as I can tell. This shows Juliet and her Sister Rachel learning that her parents were getting divorced. This scene ties into a scene between her and Sawyer in the present day (well errrr 1977) which we aren't quite at yet! Juliet's mother explains that you just know when you're not supposed to be together and that she will understand when she's a grown-up. She refuses to understand as a child. But like I said, it ties into a later event!

Hurley's Flashback
Ever since the episode "316" this season, we had some mysteries to tie up about how the Oceanic 5 + Ben got on the plane and what events transpired prior to them boarding that plane. All had been resolved except Hurley and the guitar case and Hurley's motivation to go to the Island.
  • Hurley tries to convince the cops to keep him in jail but they continue to discharge him.
  • When Hurley leaves to get in a cab, Jacob is in there with a guitar. Jacob tells Hurley that they can share the cab. When they depart Jacob tells Hurley he wasn't in jail and that he was waiting for him. He asked Hurley why he didn't want to go back to the island. Hurley goes into his speech of how he is cursed. He thinks the plane crashed because of him and the people died because of him. And now the ghosts visit him. (he's opening up to a stranger pretty easily about these ghosts!) Jacob claims that Hurley is blessed to be able to talk to people that he has lost. He tells Hurley that he is not crazy for seeing the Ghosts. Jacob never reveals who he is but tells Hurley where to be (Ajira 316) to get back to the Island and that the choice was his.
  • As Jacob was leaving the cab, he touched Hurley, so the trend continues!

  • Jacob claims that the guitar is not his. So then whose is it? Charlie's? I thought Jorge Garcia said we were going to find out about the guitar! All we found out was that it was in a car with Jacob and now Hurley has it. We don't even know what is in the case yet! Ugh...oh well, 8.5 months!
2007
The pilgrimage continues for John Locke, Ben Linus, Richard Alpert, Sun Kwon and the rest of the OTHERS to go see Jacob. And we also follow the events of the Ajira "Shadow of the Statue" folk after they leave Hydra Island.

"Shadow the Statue" Brigade
Ilana, Bram and their other 3 red-shirts take one of the outriggers to the main island with Frank Lapidus and their large silver crate in tow. The following events ensue:
  • Bram asks Ilana why they brought Frank (or "this yahoo" as he put it!) Ilana stated that the might need him. And they discussed the potential of him being a candidate. Hmmm what on earth are they talking about? Considering we know Ilana is working for Jacob could this be an equivalent to people on Jacob's lists?
  • Frank was awake during Bram and Ilana's discussions and wondered who they are. Ilana states that they are friends. Bram states that they are the "GOOD GUYS" Loved Frank's line that people that have to state they're the good guys are usually the bad guys! Remember in season 2 when Ben told Michael that the others were The Good Guys, which he repeated to him in season 4.
  • They decide to show Frank what is in the silver crate, and of course for now, keep it from us. But Frank's line "terrific" says it all! We'll wait until a little later for the unveiling!
  • The crew continue their trek and arrive at Jacob's Cabin (which had most recently been inhabited by Christian and Claire but was built by Horace Goodspeed of the DHARMA Initiative).
  • Bram and Frank have a discussion about what's in the crate. They said that they came to warn somebody that they know who they are up against which is a lot scarier that what's in the box. We do find out by the end of the episode who they need to show it to.
  • Bram notes that there is a break in the continuous circle of Ash. What on earth does THAT mean?

  • Ilana looked very concerned and clearly stepped "OVER" the ash. Perhaps it is there to note if intruders were in the premises of the cabin. Seems too simple a solution!
  • Ilana goes into the cabin which is in shambles. Pictures on the floor, many of the cabin's possessions are no longer there. Except for a piece of what seems like tapestry that Ilana brings out to the crew.
  • Ilana says that "he" isn't there and hasn't been for a long time. That someone else has been using it. (Christian?)
  • Ilana shows Bram what was in the cabin. Looks like they were given a message to head to the statue! Not sure if this cloth helps clarifiy if this is Tawaret or Sobek. But probably not Anubis!

  • Before they head to the statue, the set the cabin on fire. Well, we didn't see Claire in there, so hopefully she is okay! Frank makes a note of setting the whole jungle on fire, but the Ajira folk do not seem concerned.
  • We'll meet up with this crew a little later.
Locke's Pilgrimage
Locke and crew keep trekking to Jacob. Lots of discussions happen on their way that we should probably...well...discuss!
  • Sun asks Ben who Jacob is. Ben says he is the man in charge. That he once was and now Locke is the LEADER of the Others but the leader always reports to Jacob. Ben admitted to Sun to never meeting Jacob. I know that I have fallen for this before but in this episode especially, it seems like we can believe everything Ben is saying. He has reached an all-time low and is following Locke's orders based on Ghost-Daughter's appearance.
  • Locke and Richard have an interesting discussion. Richard is curious to how Locke is alive if Ben strangled Locke. He said he has never seen anything like this. Locke says he has never seen anyone NOT age before. Richard says that he is that way BECAUSE OF JACOB which is why he thinks Locke is that way.
  • So is that enough explanation folks? We clearly see that Jacob does not age and that he has some supernatural healing powers. Would this be enough to consider that Richard is ageless because of Jacob? Do we still wonder HOW this works? Of course we do! And for that we need to find out exactly WHO Jacob is. And I'm guessing that will be a tale told in Season 6. This episode was just a taste of it. But, if I were to connect the dots with last week's episode and Richard working on the Black Rock model and now we see Jacob was at the island PRIOR to the Black Rock's arrival, well I would like to declare with 51% certainty that Richard was a member of the Black Rock and NOT from ancient Egyptian times! Stay tuned for season 6!
  • Locke says he agrees completely that is why he is out of the coffin, so that he can thank him. And then once they're done with him they need to "deal with" the rest of the Ajira passengers. Ahhh it's all coming together. This supposed Locke is at odds with any supporters of Jacob, which makes sense since he wants to kill him. I know I know, I'm getting ahead of mysefl!
  • Later in the trek John and Ben had a discussion. Locke was surprised that Ben didn't tell Richard his plan to kill Jacob yet. Ben reveals the encounter with Ghost Alex and that he will do anything Locke says. Locke seems surprised by this encounter (but knowing what we know now...is he really??) but said it will be easier now to convince Ben to KILL Jacob. News that Ben didn't seem to take too well!
  • Locke and crew then arrive to the Oceanic 815 camp which is in shambles like we saw it during the time jumps. We should note that we did not see in this episode the Ajira crew shooting at Time Jumping Sawyer, Juliet, Daniel, Locke, Charlotte and Miles rowing away in an outrigger. So, perhaps it was not the Ajira crew afterall? Surely, we'll see that scene next season!
  • Locke says that they'll get where they are going by nightfall so that everyone should rest. They're going to need it.
  • Locke and Ben have a discussion in front of the Hatch Quarantine door (tying in this time period to 1977. So, is this proof that Jack didn't succeed in the mission to stop the Swan Station from being created?) Locke notes that the hatch is where he and Ben first met. Awww how sweet!
  • Locke asks about the day at the cabin when they first went to see Jacob. (Season 3's "The Man Behind the Curtain) Ben says that he was putting on a show, pretending, talking to an empty chair. He was embarassed that he couldn't see or talk to Jacob. But he was as shocked as Locke was when the place started going crazy and things started flying across the room. If you recall, Ben shot Locke in that episode and said it was because Locke "HEARD HIM." Hmmm that voice that said "HELP ME" certainly didn't sound like THIS Jacob that we met today did it? But regardless, it seems again that Locke is telling the truth. What does he have to lose right now? "Yes, I lied. That's what I do!"
  • Ben asks why he wants Locke to kill Jacob. Locke does a pretty convincing job of wondering why Ben did NOT want to kill Jacob. Loyal service to the island, yet Ben gets cancer. Has to watch his daughter die in front of him, and is banished from the island. He did all this in the name of a man he never met. Tough not to talk about what we know about Locke just yet, but we must stay strong!
  • Sun is examining the camp and sees Aaron's cradle that Locke built for Claire's birthday in season 1. Was anyone else hoping that she'd find Charlie's Driveshaft ring before she even found it? Yeah, I was definitely glad to see it there!
  • It is still light out, but you can tell it is getting close to evening now and Locke and crew are at their destination. Yep, it's the 4 toed statue in present condition. Which we find out is Jacob's home! (makes sense since he was right there in the first flashback of the night)

  • Here's what I don't get. Why, in season 2, did it take so long for Sayid, Jin and Sun to pass by the statue via Desmond/Libby's sailboat and here it took Locke and crew maybe a couple hours? Maybe I'm recalling the progression of events in the Season 2 Finale "Live Together Die Alone" but that seemed like it was very close to before they got to the North shore where they lit the signal for Jack and his crew that were following a "turned" Michael. I won't nitpick too much about it. But come on!!!!
  • Now, based on what we know about Locke at the end of this episode, why was Locke ASKING about the statue. Shouldn't he already know about it? I guess he could be playing dumb. And I know I am getting ahead of myself again, but maybe part of Locke does live on in this new incarnation.
  • It is now night and Locke continues to stare at the foot. Richard double checks with Locke one more time on if he wants to do this. "If you waited, Jacob would eventually have come to you" Locke is tired of waiting.
  • Sun asked Ben what happened to the rest of the statue. Ben said, I don't know it was like that when I got here. Sun says "Do you expect me to believe that?" Ben's answer was priceless "Not Really." So I guess this is a pretty big question, WAS the statue there in DHARMA Times? Because it might have been destroyed by THE INCIDENT and causing fertility issues on the Island ever since (I mean, yes, I know logically speaking that sounds ridiculous, but we are on an Island of ageless wonders and smoke monsters!) Of course, we don't know if we can believe Ben or not because he's not talking to All-Knowing Locke.
  • Richard and Locke head to the foot and Locke asks Ben to come along which causes a disturbance. Richard, frustrated, said there can only be one leader at a time! Locke says he thinks that Richard is just making these rules up as he goes along. He says Ben is coming in and he and Jacob will work it out.
  • Richard opens a secret door in the foot of the statue and sends Locke and Ben in. Well, who would have thought that there was more INSIDE the statue?! Crazy! Richard says "Tell him I said hello" and then leaves Locke and Ben to the rest of their quest.
  • Locke asks Ben if he's ready to do this. He knows it won't be easy but things will change once he's gone. He promises. Ben takes the knife and they head in.

Showdown at the Statue
Meanwhile, outside the Ajira folk arrive to the statue. Guns pointed everywhere. A crazy reveal is on the way!
  • Ilana and crew bring in the crate and come in peace. They drop their guns. She asks which one is Ricardos (if you remember, that is how Juliet said Richard's name in Latin back in the 3rd episode of the season "Jughead").
  • "It's Richard actually" Richard steps up to face them. The question is asked one more time. "What Lies in the Shadow of the statue?" Richard has an answer! Thank God!
  • "Ille qui nos omnes servabit" is the answer in Latin. I found 2 different translations on the net which pretty much equate to the same thing. "He who will Protect us all" or "He who will save us all" Well, we now know that Jacob lives WITHIN the statue. So is it safe to say that this is the secret handshake between Jacob's followers?
  • Ilana is pleased with the answer and introduces herself. We find out that Richard was the one they came to see. She orders the crate be opened up.
  • You ready for this guys? It's a dead body that they found in the cargo hold of the plane. Yup, in a COFFIN! It's John Locke!

  • Sun asks if THIS is Locke, then who is the man they have been following? A good question indeed Sun! Good question! Let's move on before we discuss.

"Locke" and Ben vs. Jacob
Ben and Locke head down the hallway into the main chamber.
  • The chamber turns out to be the same place that we saw in the beginning of the episode where we saw Jacob sewing and creating a tapestry, which hundreds of years later is now complete. The other big difference would be the giant hole in the ceiling where the rest of the statue used to be.

  • Jacob asks Ben if he likes the tapestry and says he made it himself. It took a very long time since he was making the thread, but that was the point.
  • Locke says hello to Jacob to which he responds, "Well you found your loophole" "Indeed I did" Woaaaaaaaaaa it's the man in black from the beginning that said he wanted to kill Jacob! Wait a sec, but is it? Locke seems to have all of the knowledge and memories of his prior self, of his relationship with Ben and Sun. But at the same time, he has seemed a bit off and a little TOO all-knowing right? So is this a hybrid of Locke and Jacob's Rival? Or is it strictly Jacob's rival with all of the memories of Locke via a timeloop? Having lived things over and over again to the point where both he and Jacob are aware of EVERYTHING that has happened on the island and know it by memory? He found a LOOPHOLE of sorts. What has this man been up to? Why did he have to be LOCKE in order to get to Jacob and still enlist Ben to kill him? Was he killed in the past and somehow is reincarnated in Lockean form? Was he excommunicated from the Island? What is this loophole? I want to know!! And when did these events start for John Locke? Was it Christian Shephard residing in the cabin that sent Locke on this path? We have seen him tied to the smoke monster and he also told Locke that he would have to die "That's why it is called sacrifice" Now I came up with a crazy theory on the news last night that maybe Christian Shephard is JACOB finding a loophole back to the Island via Shephard's body on Flight 815. It's crazy and out there I know and only make sense if the Timeloop theory is correct. But then if that was the case, would Jacob as Shephard have sent Locke to move the Island which eventually led to him leaving the island to be killed by Ben which would bring Man in Black as Locke to the Island? Ahhhhh so confusing. I'm sure there's a simple explanation to it all. But for now, all we have is theories and discussion!
  • Moving on, Bizarro Locke tells Jacob "you have no idea what I have gone through to be here" Ben is confused and asks if they have met before. B. Locke says "in a manner of speaking" and then asks Ben to do what he asked him to do.
  • Jacob tells Ben that whatever Bizarro Locke told Ben that he still has a choice. Do what he asks or he can go and leave them to discuss their "issues." Well this really sets Ben off! After all of this time he is no longer being ignored by Jacob. He lived on the island for 35 years and only heard of Jacob's name. Richard would bring instructions and LISTS from Jacob with empty promises that "You have to wait. Be patient". He never questioned anything. But Locke asks to come here and gets marched in as if he's Moses. "Why him? What was so wrong with me? What about me?" Jacob answers coyly back. "What about you?"
  • Ben loses it, takes out the knife and goes nuts stabbing Jacob multiple times a la what he did to Keamy last season! Jacob is spitting up blood and says "They're coming" 2 times. Who is coming? The Ajira people? The Others? Someone else that only Jacob and Bizarro Locke know about? Regardless, Locke rolls Jacob into the fire and ignites him. RIP Jacob??? Hmmm, I'm not so sure yet. But, we're going to have to wait until next season to see what is going on. In the meantime, I would love to hear all of your thoughts!

  • BTW my Christian is a reincarnation of Jacob theory? Ugh, I think I'm still regretting going down that path during the news interview. But I'm sure it made for entertaining TV! It just seems so crazy that Jacob has been around for so long and we are just introduced to him now for him to be completely dead. But we'll see! Let's see how well Jack and crew fared!
1977
Escape from the Sub
We last left Sawyer, Juliet and Kate in an awkward past-love/new-love heading to Real World conundrum. Kate reveals what is going on:
  • Kate explains to Sawyer and Juliet that Jack is planning to blow up Jughead in order to change their destinies. Kate is concerned for the people on the island. Sawyer doesn't seem to care. He is still angry that Jack and crew returned and messed up the great thing they had going. And he is content with not worrying about the people on the island's fate.
  • I spoke too soon last week with them not drugging the sub passengers. The sub crew were getting ready to hand out the sedative and OJ prior to heading on their "Island Exit Bearing" So much for the Looking Glass Station being involved with transportation to and from the island!
  • Juliet takes matters into her own hands and knocks out the DRUG MAN! She says that they BOTH made a decision to the leave the Island and now they are going back. They can't just let the people die. Sawyer gives in and Juliet uncuffs them all from Drug Guy's keys.
  • The sub captain communicates that they are ready to head on the bearing. (communicating with Looking Glass or Flame? Doesn't matter? Okay, I'll roll with it.) They call the sub the Galaga. I think that might be the first time we heard the name.
  • Sawyer and crew take Captain at gunpoint asking them to surface and let them off. And make sure that they do not bring the rest of the people back to the Island. Sawyer shoots the communication to make sure he doesn't have to talk to anyone and explain what has happened.
  • The sub surfaces and our heroes get off in a Raft (hmmm that was convenient! I guess it's standard safety procedure to have them on board!
Keep Drilling!
At various points in the episode, we cut to the DHARMA folk working on the Swan. It's lots of Radzinsky shouting and whining at the Swan, pushing aside Chang to keep drilling even against his warnings. Phil radios them via CB telling them about people heading their way. And eventually Chang, Radiznsky and Phil are all at the Swan for the final showdown. They eventually set up look out guards with Rifles in preparation for said showdown. Other Key Points
  • Radzinsky explaining to Chang that he came here to make a difference in the world and harness electromagnetic energy like it has never been used before.
  • Radzinsky realizing that Sayid (the Hostile) is involved and knows about the Swan which gets them ready for the showdown.
  • The drilling is getting very close to the pocket and the drill is heating up. Chang is very concerned that all hell is going to break loose.
Dismantling Jughead
We last left Jack, Sayid, Richard and Eloise in the tunnels with Jughead trying to figure out what to do next.
  • Apparently Daniel did all the work for them even specifying the weight of Jughead as 20 tons! There were instructions with how to dismantle the atomic bomb, take out the plutonium core and detonate it. Sayid claims that the core would have enough thermo-nuclear power to handle what they are attempting to do. Hmmm, I guesss maybe Daniel just wrote all the lyrics to the songs on U2's album of the same name How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb and Sayid was able to translate into TECH SPEAK! (yep, I'm getting a little delirous with the recapping!)

  • Anyway, Sayid begins to work his magic and removes the core.
  • It is also revealed that Eloise is pregnant, which we suspected last week with Charles talking about her condition. Eloise mentions this is EXACTLY the reason they have to do what Jack and Sayid want to do.
  • Sayid said they had 2 hours, which shocked Jack. Really Jack? Daniel mentioned before he died that the Incident would occur in 4 hours! Anyway Sayid gave Jack a refresher that Daniel was very explicit about his time table when he returned to the island. The big question is, how did Daniel KNOW when all of these events were going to happen and when? He even knew when Chang was showing up to the Orchid. Would this be a result of his own time traveling which we have yet to see? Or are we just supposed to accept on good faith that his research led to these exact times?
  • A little later, Sayid has the core in a backpack and they are on the move. Richard finds a hollow wall and takes a sledgehammer to it. They see the basement of one of the DHARMA houses. So they literally did build this place into the tunnels. Which explains the ancient door in Ben's house (which may have been Horace's?). The question is did DHARMA use the tunnels? We know that Radzinsky was aware of them when he drew the map in the Swan Hatch.
  • Lots of squabbling occurs about who is in charge. Eloise or Jack. But eventually Richard knocks Eloise out as he is not thrilled about helping them in the first place. He tells Jack and Sayid to continue on their own which they oblige.
  • They are in the middle of DHARMAVILLE and need to figure out how to get out of there without being noticed. Sayid puts on Horace's jumpsuit (guess that means they were in Horace's house!) and they plan on passing by as regular DHARMA folk. The alarms are going crazy as DHARMA is on alert looking for Jack and crew. No fear, Ben linus recognizes Sayid as the man who shot his son! It's payback time! He shoots Sayid in the gut and an all out gunfight starts. Jack goes nuts firing his little pistol at all of the rifle bearing DHARMA folk. He actually does shoot one or two of them. They get behind one of the DHARMA houses for cover. As they are trying to make a run for it Hurley, Jin and Miles show up with the DHARMA van pull them in and rescue them! WHEW!
  • They instruct Hurley to drive to the Swan. Jack says if they want to save Sayid they need to go to the SWAN. Yet again he is hoping that none of this even matters. The people he was killing in DHARMAVILLE, Daniel Dying, Sayid being shot. It can all be reset as long as they set off that bomb in the pocket of electromagnetic energy. Jack tells Jin he thinks he found a way to get him back to his wife. We'll save our theorizing until the end!
  • Miles asks if this is going to set them back in time. Jack says they are not going BACK in time. He apparently is just hoping that this version of them will not exist anymore and their lives will have gone on for 3 years as if they didn't crash on the Island. Yikes.

Meeting some old friends
Sawyer, Juliet and Kate row to shore trying to figure out what way is North, West and such and such.
  • Kate uses her knowledge of suns setting in the West to figure out where they were. But Sawyer asks if she had a compass anyway. Juliet is not too pleased at Kate and Sawyer's chumminess. Let's not even get into the fact that on the Island the light "scatters differently" according to Daniel Faraday. But I don't think that comes into play here as they do find where they are going.
  • The arrive on the shore. Kate thanks Juliet for backing her up at the sub. You can tell Juliet is thrilled about the situation!
  • A friendly face arrives to greet them. It's Vincent!! The producers have stated that Vincent will indeed survive to the end of the series. Exciting stuff!

  • And that's not the only people that are there. Nope, Rose and Bernard reluctantly come out to greet them. Rose: "Ohhhhh HELLLL no! They found us" Bearded Bernard: "Son of a B#$%&!"

  • Apparently while the Others easily heard Sawyer screaming to meet at the creek in 1954, Rose and Bernard were too occupied with the flaming arrows to hear them. We found out that Jin searching the grids in "LaFleur" was in search of any other survivors that were time jumping with them.
  • Rose and Bernard were aware of the searches and purposely avoided them. They are officially "RETIRED." They didn't want to be assimilated into the DHARMA Initiative. They grabbed food from DHARMA and created their own little residence by the ocean. Nice!
  • Sawyer and Kate explain what's about to happen with Jack and his bomb. Rose and Bernard don't care. If they die they die. They don't want to be involved in the drama. It's always something. They traveled back 30 years in time and they are still finding ways to shoot each other. No thanks! They just care about being together. It's all that matters in the end. (very telling for the awkward love triangle they are explaining it to!)
  • Juliet asks which way the DHARMA barracks are and they get their direction. Farewell Rose and Bernard! I think.
  • So, let's say that Jack and crew do not succeed in resetting the clock and whatever they do at the Swan caused them to travel back to 2007, do Rose and Bernard go with them or do they stay in the 70's? Were they outside of any radius that would have shipped them back? My point being. If they do remain in the 70's there is still a chance that they could be the Adam and Eve skeletons in the cave. Of course, they still need to acquire black and white stones and move to the caves for some reason. Maybe that is a failed theory, but I still think it makes sense! A couple living on their own, happily on an island. It just fits the scenario we saw in the caves early in season 1. We'll see!
  • Sawyer, Juliet and Kate head on their way to stop Jack!


Reunion
Jack and crew are about 5 minutes away from the Swan in the DHARMA van
  • Sayid wants to rework the bomb so that it can be detonated upon impact. He specifies that this has to happen at the exact moment of the incident or that this will all be for nothing.
  • The van comes to a halt. Sawyer, Kate and Juliet bearing weapons are blocking the way!
  • Sawyer asks for 5 minutes alone with Jack. Jack reluctantly obliges after some convincing. Jack and Sawyer sit down and have a chat. This is very reminiscent of the scene between Jack and Sawyer in season 1 when Sawyer brings up his encounter with Christian Shephard in Sydney. Sawyer begins to explain how his parents died. The Conman, the Murder-Suicide. He explains how it happened a year ago from where they are now 1976 but he didn't leave the island to stop it. What's Done is Done he says (similar to what the man told him in his flashback, similar to what he said earlier this season as well).
  • Sidenote: we find out it's July 1977. So Star Wars IS out in theaters!
  • Saywer demands to know what he screwed up so badly that they have to change things. Jack says that 3 years go Locke told him that all of this was happening for a reason. That it was their destiny. Sawyer had a classic line "I don't speak destiny!" A man does something because he wants something for himself. What does Jack want? "I had her and I lost her"
  • Sawyer is confused why Jack can't just tell Kate now. And they wouldn't even know each other if the plane landed in Los Angeles. Plus Kate was a fugitive. Jack talks about destiny again with "if it's meant to be it will happen." Hmmm so I guess he still thinks he will end up on the Island even if the plane lands in Los Angeles?
  • Jack says it's too late to get Kate back. and that Sawyer's 5 minute is up.
  • Sawyer gives up rationalizing and starts a fist fight. And believe it or not, this is really the first time we have seen Jack and Sawyer in a fight!

  • They are pretty evently matched for awhile, but Sawyer gets the upper hand and is ready to strangle Jack. He asks if Jack will stop and when Jack says no, Sawyer begins to beat his face in. That is, until Juliet stops it.
  • Juliet changed her mind to Sawyer's frustration. She now thinks that Jack HAS to do this. Long story short, Juliet changed her mind when he saw Sawyer look at Kate. He has never gotten over her. (that's cool, neither has Jack! Back to square 1!) Juliet thought that they love each other and Sawyer would never leave her if she let him. Just because they love each other doesn't mean they were meant to be together. So if Jack can make it so they never came there, maybe it is for the best. "If I never meet you, then I never have to lose you" Ouch, that's quite a breakup!
  • Meanwhile Jack and Kate have a moment near the Swan station. Kate tends to Jack asking if he remembers when she first sewed him up (Pilot episode). Seems like a million years ago. Kate: or 30 years from now! Nice.
  • Jack asked about the promise he made to Kate about not asking about Aaron. Kate was mad at Jack for bringing her back at the time. But now she explains she came back for Claire. Jack tries to convince her that if they stop the plane from ever crashing that Claire would land in Los Angeles. And maybe she wouldn't give up Aaron for adoption. What's meant to be is meant to be. Whew, I really hope this isn't how season 6 starts! Jack explains that nothing in his life has ever felt so right. He needs Kate to believe that.
  • They see smoke coming up from the Drill site. Jack knows it's about to happen. He asks if Kate is with them. If you recall from earlier this season Kate told Jack "I have always been with you" and once again she agrees to go with Jack. Here we go again! For good, worse or better the band is back together!

The Incident
  • Sayid tells Jack that the bomb is all set to go. According to Faraday, the bomb must be as close to the source of the electromagnetism.
  • Jack assures Sayid that this is going to work and save him. Sayid assures Jack that nothing can save him (I would guess from all of his past sins he has committed).
  • Jack loads up the bomb on his back, takes one longing look at Kate and then moves on alone. Runs into Sawyer and Juliet. "See you in Los Angeles"
  • Meanwhile Miles asks everyone to think about this the other way (as we have been discussing for weeks!). What if the explosion is exactly what causes the Incident in the first place? What if the best thing to do would be to do NOTHING at all? No one says anything. Another classic line. "Well I'm glad you all thought this through."
  • They all scout Phil in a DHARMA Jeep heading to the Swan to warn them of the infiltration. They all decide to team up and go help Jack. Ironically Juliet, one of the ones not present for the legendary speech, says "Live Together and Die Alone!" (probably why she misquoted adding that unnecessary "AND" in there!)
  • Back with Jack. There are guards at every point. Jack is sneaking his way in. But inevitably he gets caught in gunfire. Naturally it's annoying Phil that finds him! When all hope seems lost the DHARMA van full of our friends drive in opening the door and opening fire on Radzinsky and crew! An intense gun battle ensues. Kate gets some guards up top. Sawyer runs in and knocks Radzinsky out and takes Phil hostage! Time for some payback for slapping Juliet!
  • Our LOSTIES head in. Jack heads in to drop the bomb. They tell chang to turn the drill off. But it won't shut down. They hit the pocket and the magnetism is pulling the drill in. It's time!
  • Jack looks at Kate again, she's crying but nods him along. Sawyer looks at Juliet, she smiles. Jack drops the bomb. They brace for something to happen. And....nothing.
  • Then the Electro-magnetic event similar to season 2 begins. Sawyer - "This don't look like LAX!" All metal objects begin getting pulled into the hole. Chang's hand gets caught under metal. If you recall, he has a Prosthetic hand in the DHARMA SWAN Orientation Film. Is this the cause of it? And is that enough to prove that nothing has changed?
  • Miles rescues his father and tells him to get as far away as possible. Radzinsky flees but the jeep is getting pulled in. Phil was getting ready to kill Sawyer and he gets stabbed by some debris! YES!!!! The rest of DHARMA seems to get away as they should.
  • But Juliet gets wrapped in chains and pulled into the hole. Kate and Sawyer try to hold on and grab her. Juliet hangs on for awhile, crying but eventually gives in. She professes her love for Sawyer and falls many many feet to her supposed death. (The V - TV Series Remake calling?). Cue tears.
  • The metal is still being pulled in. Jack shakes off being knocked semi-unconscious. Kate is trying to pull off Sawyer from his sobbing on the top of the drill site. The drill gets pulled into the hole and we follow it down to see Juliet still there and still alive. But not in good shape. She's bloody and crying. She sees that the bomb was never detonated. It's still there. She finds a rock and decides to start banging at it. "COME ON!!!! COME ON!!!!!" "COME ON YOU SON OF A BIIIII#$#$"

  • The screen goes white


NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! That's where they leave us? You bet they do. And with a nice reverse color LOST title! Nice. I personally think there was enough shown to us that a complete reset is out of the realm of possibility. But it sure wasn't factored out indefinitely as was nothing! So what happened?
  • Did Sayid and Juliet survive?
  • Are they moved back to the same 2007 that Bizarro Locke, Sun, Ben and Frank are?
  • Obviously that version of 2007 showed that the Oceanic Crew DID indeed reside there. We saw Charlie's ring for proof. Would they really leave these events hanging on us the way they stood and then reset time so that it never happened? Or would there be some type of major course correction to insure that the hatch is STILL built and that events transpire as they are supposed to.
  • I'm willing to agree with Miles. They did exactly what they were always intended to do. So then the question is, who survives and where/when are they?
  • Of course, you throw in the Infinite Time Loop possibility and the Loophole, and maybe this was part of it. Maybe we are seeing them participate in said Loophole.
I don't know but I sure am psyched for 8.5 months from now to find out. And I'd love to hear your theories on the matter.

We have one season to go. We have been told Season 6 will be the season of answers. What questions are on your mind that need to be answered? Here's some of mine:
  • Who/What is the Smoke Monster?
  • Who/What is Christian Shephard's entity on the island?
  • Who are the Adam and Eve Skeletons and how did they end up there?
  • What is the story with the Black Rock and Jacob's involvement with it?
  • Why did Jacob recruit the Oceanic people for the Island?
  • WHAT is the Island?
  • What are the dreams and visions all about?
  • What are the ghosts all about?
  • Why can Hurley communicate with the dead? Are they REALLY the actual people that died or some other version of them? What about Miles speaking to the dead?
  • What is at the Temple? What IS the Temple?
  • Who will Kate end up with? Or will she end up dead?
  • Will Jack have to perform an ultimate sacrifice at the end of the show and be a tragic hero?
  • What is up with Walt's powers? Will he return to the Island and reconcile with a possible Ghost Dad? Or will Michael be alive in an alternate timeline.
  • Already dismissed by producers as not prominent, what was up with Libby at Hurley's Mental Institution? And is her husband David the same DAVE that was haunting Hurley's imagination?
  • Will we get to see all of our fallen 815ers again in season 6?
  • What is up with people not being able to be killed until their TASKS ARE DONE on the Island? Jack couldn't kill himself, Neither could Michael. Gunshots would go right through certain people.
  • Man, I could go on forever, but I'll save some for the comments!
Whew, I promised it would be a long blog and we have plenty of time to read and dissect. I am sorry for the long delay in getting the blog up. But I hope you have enjoyed my ramblings! Tune in this summer for occassional posts whenever we get some news from the producers. I'm guessing the first one will be after Comic-Con in July!



Updated as of 5/18/2009 - You guys asked for it, here it is!  My wonderful interview with ABC Action News in Tampa, Florida.  I will not let you guys forget that you made me post this!  :-)


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Mike V. said...

Thanks MJ and Goose for the congrats! I can't say that I consciously decided to do the Wedding outside of LOST Season. Our schedules just worked out that way! But, I was happy to see that there was no major conflict for LOST blogging. :-) lol

Goose, yeah I figured the question was aimed at everyone, but I always feel the need to respond to most of the comments personally! lol I would be interested to see how people rank the seasons as well. I guess we could always do a Poll. But it would be best saved when there is high traffic on the blog!

The producers have always claimed that they have known since season 1 where this show was going and how it will end. In later statements, they say that they've had a vision for the final scene of LOST for a long time. They also have said to us that they put Adam and Eve in season 1 so that when they finally got to the end of the show, we would know that they have had a plan all along.

Naturally, there are conspiracy theorists that thing that when they shot the Pilot, they had NO IDEA where the show was going and that they just had a great idea for a pilot episode. And since then the show has grown into what it is. And that when they defined an end date for the series...THAT is when they came up with an End Game plan. I dunno...I'm sure some of that has gone on...but I gotta think that they have had ideas on where they wanted the show to go since the beginning. Maybe that's just me being naive. Afterall, I did begin to believe George Lucas that he always envisioned 6 episodes of Star Wars and not 9 like he used to say! lol

There could be some instances where they have certain actors/actresses in mind for parts...but in the case of Jacob and Man in Black...they were definitely cast a month or so before filming. So, no, I don't think THOSE specific actors were contracted since the beginning. There may not have even been a concept of Jacob in their minds until Season 3. There are also actors that they have seen in other shows where they write roles because they like the actor/actress(e.g. Miles...they saw the actor in an episode of the final season of The Sopranos and decided they needed him on LOST. So they wrote a part for him.).

Now, if the show ends up being all about some game between 2 agless beings...there is the possibility that they had planned on this from the very beginning of the show. But the actual casting of these beings may have evolved over time.

All hypothetical though. I am hoping that there will be lots of goodies on the final season blu-ray/dvd that explains their thought process with a lot of things. That would be fantastic!

okay, i've rambled on enough. keep up the great discussion!

Dave C said...

Just a little after thought on where the show was planned to go. When I watched the extras from the season 1 dvd set. They said that originally Jack was only going to be in the first few episodes and they would kill him off. But after they heard of how much the fan base loved him they decided to keep him on. It just goes to show you that anything can change, just because there is a plan, it doesn't mean improv is out the window.

Mike V. said...

Dave, I actually recall that a little differently. They considered getting a "semi-bigger star" to play the role of Jack I. The pilot and then shock everyone by killing him off. But abc higher ups weren't on board with it because they saw Jack as the hero. There is no way they would have been able to incorporate viewer feedback so quickly into the first few episodes. But I agree, lots of the story has been written as the show has evolved. But I think they've had a general outline of where they wanted to go at a high level (what the island is, the smoke monster, etc...)

David said...

I have been re-watching some older episodes of LOST on DVD. There is a scene in season 4 between Ben Linus and Charles Widmore in Charles' bedroom. Charles refers to Ben as "Son", i.e. he uses the word "son" a lot rather than using Ben's name. Being the longtime leader of the Others I think this is just a habit he has. I am now more convinced than ever that Daniel Faraday is NOT Charles Widmore's biological son. I had said before that in terms of casting Jeremy Davies does not look anything like what a child of Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore would look like! There is a lot of Alpha type personality and blond hair and blue-green eyes going on! I may be wrong but I don't think so...

cdstedman said...

Jacob (Mark Pellegrino) just got a job playing the devil on Supernatural. Lets hope his availability doesn't mess up Lost next season.

Stephen said...

Great Lost blog mike. I became a lost fanatic this season after watching all the previous seasons last fall. So I didn't spend any energy attempting to extrapolate on the show when I could just watch the next episode at my convenience. Now however I really cant stand the wait for the final season.
So I have two comments/questions.
A previous post suggested an analogy comparing Jacob to Jesus christ and a possible resurrection of Jacob in season 6. We know the writers have a fondness for star wars. So, what if Jacob allowed Ben to kill him, knowing that he would actually live on or become more powerful, just as Obe-wan Kenobi dies at the hand of darth vader. In a sense it might have been a good thing for Jacob to die. Consequently, what if it needed to happen, thus it was Ben's destiny to kill Jacob to allow him to become the great omnipotent Jacob. There are lots of holes in this, eg. no free will, but I thought the similarities were intriguing with the heavy amount of black, white, and red symbolism in the finale just as in star wars. The no free will may not be that far off since we know it seems that destiny prevails in the world of lost.

Ok so that was my minor comment but the real question for me lies with John Locke. I don't think we really know when the man in black/Esau/smokey entity took him over. I think there are hints in season one when Locke is miraculously no longer paralyzed and seems to have greater knowledge than the rest of the survivors. And at the very end of episode one Tabula Rasa the final shot is of Locke looking very ominous and creepy and there is a clicking sound similar to smokey's, if you listen closely after the song is over. I think Esau could be in control by either impersonating him physically (as in season 5) or more likely controlling him to some degree mentally (kinda like hypnosis, planting ideas and suggestions). If nothing more I think that the writers were foreshadowing the eventual takeover of Locke by placing that scene in episode one, so they must have had a plan early on.
Opinion and analysis is welcomed.

Mike V. said...

David, I'm amping up for my LOST on Blu-Ray marathon, so maybe I'll start picking up on some crazy things too. Daniel may not be Widmore's Biological son, but I don't know if we are meant to associate this with him calling Ben son all of the time! But hey, you never know what these crazy writers are thinkin!

Stedman, looks like the role on Supernatural is just recurring. I can't imagine that team Darlton haven't learned their lessons with Nestor Carbonell and various others to not lock up key actor/actresses for the remainder of the show. Kinda like at the end of season 4 we knew John Terry (Christian), Alan Dale (Widmore) and Emile DeRavin (Claire) were booked with options for full-time regulars in season 6. (dale and terry contracted as recurring in season 5) I can't imagine we're done seeing everything Jacob related yet!

Stephen, thanks for the props!! I'm just gonna address the 2nd paragraph. I've been hearing the same murmors/theories recently that maybe Locke hasn't been Locke for longer than we even think! Only issue with this is Locke's "losing of faith" at various times during the show (banging on the hatch when Boone fell with the plane and crying until Desmond turned on the light, Locke flipping out in the hatch asking what he was supposed to do when the computer was crashed and everyone left him there alone, etc....) So if Man in Black took over Locke back in the Pilot...it has to be some kind of "TEMPORARY" takeover...and the real locke has to be intertwined with him somehow, right? And then, how do we explain the extra body in the season 5 finale? Yikes...i dunno!

Okay, on to updates!

Good interview for cryptic season 6 details with Michael Emerson:


Emerson Interview

Season 6 has been extended to 18 hours instead of 17!! (i saw this coming for awhile, I just figured they'd need more time to tell their story..this means at least one less clip show next season! lol)

LOST EXTENDED

Oh and I've decided to sell my soul and join TWITTER. I was conflicted but saw it as an opportunity for the LOST ADDICTS to start following me to get updated on when the LOST blogs get posted. Also, if I end up starting a new blog for some other show, we won't lose touch! So if you're with Twitter, go ahead and start following me. Can't promise any updates in the near future, but at least you'll be following me when I do!

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Okay, I think I'm done for now!

Anonymous said...

Just one crazy thought. You know how the piloit said they had to turn becasue they enetered avoid a storm. what if the smoke monster was the strom that he mentions. Perhaps the smoke monster was the reason they went of course first of all becasue he wanted the poeple on the island and it made a fake looking storm; ths smoke mosnter does look like a storm cloud. I mean we have seen the smoke moster off the island

Mark H said...

One crazy thought. I think the smoke monster is the storm that the piloit is reffereing to. The smoke moster does look like a dark cloud. So perhaps he got in the planes way to amke the piloit turn to the island. We have seen the smoke monster off the island before. Just a thought

MJ said...

Haven't been here in a while - wow - alot of comments. I'll never catch up.

Read this little interview. Is a little hinty, but not really spoilerish. I'm ingtrigued !

Anonymous said...

Hi all

I have a predicition that the storm that caused the plane to be a 1000 miles off track is the smoke monster. the pilot mentioned avoidiing a storm and smokey looks like a storm cloud.

Mike V. said...

MJ, did you mean to attach a link? or were you talking about one of my links? lol

Anonymous, Mark H, Anonymous about the "storm" - There was actually no mention ever of a storm that put the plane off course. Their radio went dead and they turned to head for fiji but hit "turbulence" and were 1000 miles off course. Flight 316 also hit some turbulence but didn't break apart. I think the plane breaking apart and crashing had something to do with Desmond not hitting the button in the hatch. Of course...all of the systems on 316 shut down as well. (and it went from night to day after the FLASH - almost like they were transported somewhere else)

Crazy stuff...i guess it could be smoke monster related. But we really would have to know what the smoke monster is to make that call! lol

Mike V. said...

Comic Con Panel is slated for the morning of Saturday July 25th (pacific time). I'll be at a Phillies game that day so expect a blog update on 7/26! lol

Here's a Doc-Jensen update:
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/07/the-last-season-of-lost-anything-goes.html

Mike V. said...

Interview with the Man in Black!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Lost-Titus-Welliver-1007964.aspx

Also Matthew Fox is done with TV:
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Lost-Matthew-Fox-1007985.aspx

EJ said...

You know, this is way off anything we've been talking about, but I just watched the episode where Mr Ecko's story is told and he stares down the Black Smoke (Season 2).

It occurred to me that Ecko was supposed to be on the smugglers' plane that crashed on the island. So, it's like he was called to the island and it failed, so he was called again by being on Oceanic 815. He stares down Smokey, showing no fear or surprise -- like he's seen it before or at least "knows" it somehow. Having stared down Smokey, Mr Ecko finally claims aloud he is a priest and puts on his brother's cross. It's like Smokey (evil) came for him and Ecko won the encounter so he was then able to be part of the good.

When the episode aired originally, I thought he was doing it just as a tribute to his brother -- e.g. assuming the goodness of his brother, whose death he caused. Now I'm not so sure it isn't more.

Thoughts, anyone? Mr Ecko has always intrigued me, and his role is something I want to understand better by the close of Season 6.

David said...

I was thinking something similar about Mr. Eko and the fact that the 3 planes (that we know of so far) that crashed on the island all had dead bodies in them - Eko's brother, Christian Shepherd and John Locke.
Mr. Eko was such a terrific character. According to the extras on the Season 3 LOST DVDs, the writers said Mr. Eko was supposed to be a major character for 4 seasons but the actor playing him hated living in Hawaii and wanted his family to remain in England. I really do hope they convince him to come back somehow or in some capacity in Season 6. Hopefully Eko's invisible cameo playing chess with Hurley is "the shape o things to come".

Mike V. said...

Hey guys, I got sent this video from its creator. I'm guessing it's a submittal for the "LOST THEME SONG" at comic-con. It's pretty funny. Check it out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxpN0-_TSLs

EJ, you're suggesting a little "COURSE CORRECTION" for EKO right? Makes sense. Also makes sense with FRANK since he was supposed to be flying 815 that he'd end up there. Of course, we still don't know why he DIDN'T fly flight 815. Not sure if it's important or not!

Yep, the dead body on each plane definitely seems to be more than a coincidence!

8 days until Comic-Con panel! 9 days until a new post! lol

Mike V. said...

Top 15 reader voted on mysteries of LOST that we would like answered. I gotta say, I agree with pretty much all of them!



Top 15 mysteries

Mike V. said...

http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/lost/lost-has-fan-tastic-plans-for-comic-con-1771.html

Team Darlton previews Comic-Con!

Mike V. said...

Could be the next Lost Alternate Reality Game or just a promotion on ABC's end. LOST UNIVERSITY is up!

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/07/abc-launching-a-college-devoted-to-lost-sign-us-up.html

http://lostuniversity.org/index.php

I'll definitely be posting an update sometime on Sunday when I get the scoop from Saturday's comic-con. Follow me on Twitter of you want to know when the blog is up!

http://twitter.com/MikeV_TVaddict

(i may eventually change this to LOST ADDICTS BLOG to avoid confusion! lol)

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LostFamily said...

OMG!!! times 10!! That was one heck of a finale. LostFamily all screamed when we saw the white screen at the end.

So, Happy Belated 1st Anniversary Mike! :) I've been time traveling and just read your wedding.

So many theories on this one and FINALLY a real Jacob. Call me crazy, but didn't the producers or someone tell us that Jacob would end up being someone that we knew or had seen already? Maybe I'm having a "Walt dream" and it didn't happen, but I was surprised that this was a brand new actor.

My wife totally picked up on the 'notice how he's touching them?' when we watched it. Has to mean something special - they are the special Oceanic 815ers.

It's been a blast reading all the comments. You did great on the interview, BTW. The blog is clearly the best one out there and the only one I care to read. Your style of writing and openness to everyone's crazy ideas make it a must read.

You're right - lots to ponder before we dive into Season 6, which arrives on Blu Ray next Tuesday! I can't fathom how they are going to explain all the outstanding questions we have our there. We at least got some long awaited Bernard and Rose news. I love how she said (before we saw her) "oh no, they found us" - classic!

I'm gearing up for the pages and pages of comments that Season 6 posters have made that you've warned me about. So, until then, I'll still be pondering the whole good vs. evil themes, statue and Black Rock dynamite, "Man in Locke's Body" (MILB), Richard's backstory which we really have waiting forever to find out, and the many other mysteries too numerous to mention.

Thanks for a great blog - it's EPIC!

Mike V. said...

LOST Family, it's been a pleasure to read as you have been working your way through the show. You're caught up and I'm sure really itching for answers! While you wait for season 6, it probably wouldn't hurt to read my post from after last year's comic-con and the comments that followed. Damon and Carlton started to warn everyone that the "Season of Answers" might not be what everyone is expecting. It's good to set your level of expectations before embarking on the final journey of LOST. Because if you go into the final season with a checklist of answers that you want, you might not be thrilled at what you find! You have to enjoy the show first and foremost as a story with great characters.

Oh right I also posted a list of 23 mysteries right before the season started too. both of these blogs would be very helpful prior to entering the final season (note: just because I listed it as a mystery doesn't necessarily guarantee that it gets answered! lol)

Thanks for the congrats on the anniversary! Can you believe after the season 6 madness, I still stayed married? lol And thanks for the major props on the blog. I really appreciate the kind words. I'll give you a heads up right now. If you love TV then you might like what I have in store for the future. I am going to starting a new venture to talk about ALL TV I enjoy. Of course, dedicated recaps may be tougher, but I'm just going to play it by ear. Here's the new site! http://www.tvaddictsblog.com

And here are the blog links to read up on prior to season 6:



Comic Con 2009


23 Mysteries of LOST


There is a 23 Mysteries of LOST Revisited Column but this is like before the final 3 or 4 episodes of the show. I don't remember exactly when I wrote it! lol (but it's in the "Recently Posted section" on the blog. Enjoy the home stretch and don't forget I'll be blogging about the EPILOGUE and DVD Extras after it is released tomorrow! Thanks again for keeping me posted as you plow through the episodes!

Mike V. said...

LOST Family - word of caution, if you read through the 23 Mysteries Post and COMMENTS, stop reading the comments when you get to February 3rd!!! I didn't have my recap up for the season 6 premiere yet and people posted comments there.

I'd also warn you the same thing about Episode 16's recap of season 6. I tried as best as I could to get a "temporary post" up for hundreds of people to vent about the finale while I typed up the recap...but some people went to town on the comments of episode 16 before I could do it (that is May 23rd comments when you get to it...especially ones after 10 or 11pm lol)

GOOD LUCk!! :-)

Miles Balzard said...

Okay, I give that a WOW! I think this was actually one of the more effective, if not the MOST effective, season finales of the series. I hardly think they could have given us a better cliffhanger than a pure white screen and a billion questions (of which Mike asked about a million in his recap). And while they answered the question of who is Jacob, we still don't know exactly why Jacob is conducting these experiments with humanity. And of course, what will the (apparent) explosion of the H-bomb mean?

There were so many questions raised that it would be silly for me to try to answer them all (I'd be mostly wrong anyway), so I'd better just stick to the big themes and thoughts about the cliffhanger.

I was truly moved by Juliet's apparent demise (apparent certainly being the operative word). LOL, Mike, you simply wrote "Cue tears" when she plunged to the bottom. Well, I'm such a softie the tears were brimming in my eyes as Sawyer vainly struggled to hold on to her and they declared their love (I'm getting emotional even writing that)! Since I stopped being a Skater, I've been rooting for Juliet and Sawyer's happy ending, and even though they might still get one I couldn't resist the emotional power of that scene.

Nice to see Rose and Bernard living happily on the island. If only the rest of them had been able to reach similar destinies, but of course that wouldn't have fit. It was sweet when Bernard said "as long as we die together" that was all that mattered. That seemed to have an impact on Juliet and Kate.

The Man in Black at the beginning of the finale is obviously one of those spirits left on the island, still looking for that loophole that he finally finds with Locke. For the first time since watching this series, I replayed a scene in Lost to see it a second time; the beginning of the finale where Jacob and the Man in Black sit on the beach, just so I could hear the Man in Black talk about the loophole. Then it all made sense when Jacob told quasi-Locke "So you found your loophole" and Locke replied "Indeed I did. You have no idea what I went through to get here." So the real Locke is dead and the Man in Black takes the form of Locke, and therefore I believe he also took the form of Christian and Alex, which helped enable him to finally achieve his confrontation with Jacob.

Jacob is (was) a very patient being. He set his plans decades in advance and never wavered. The fact that he touched so many survivors in previous years and appeared to save Locke's life indicates a fraction of his power. Did he know that when he saved Locke's life, he was sealing the fate of his own mortal death? Or was that really Jacob who touched Locke and all the others? Could it have been the Man in Black taking Jacob's form off the island? Or did Jacob actually want to get killed by Ben? He certainly said the right thing to goad Ben into killing him.

The fact that Jacob's mortal form was killed at the end by Ben doesn't mean he is gone forever. I think his spirit (if he ever was more than a spirit; he was apparently living on the island for hundreds of years) will live on, just as other spirits inhabit the island. Just as our heroes had to come back to the island because their job wasn't done, I don't think Jacob's job is done, either.

So is Jacob actually the voice of optimism? And the Man in Black of cynicism? That makes the most sense to me right now, since Jacob is the one who always believed in a more positive outcome to luring people to the island, while the MiB believed the outcome would never deviate from chaos.

Mike, I certainly don't think any less of you by your posted video with the Tampa TV station ( I checked your reply to my last post before coming to this episode). Those all still seem like reasonable theories to me! Jacob as Christian? Sure, why not? It's no more crazy than any other theory. And everything else seemed to be spot on.

Miles Balzard said...

I can see I'll need another post to conclude my thoughts on the cliffhanger. I am still getting the 4,096 character limit, Mike, which I have discovered through trial and error to actually be less than 3,950! I got it on the post above as well as the one for the previous episode.

The H-bomb: As I alluded to in my first post and my post on the previous episode, I'm not sure the H-Bomb exploded at all. Why couldn't it just be another time flash, which has a similar "white-out" when it happens? I certainly don't believe they will reset the series and wipe out 5 seasons of exposition, but perhaps they will present a hybrid solution, much like "It's a Wonderful Life" (my second mention here of an all-time fave!), where they show what life would be like if they got their wish and how they would regret having wished for it to begin with, then allow them to come back to reality. I wouldn't put anything past the writers of Lost!

More than being a show about good vs. evil, the foundation of Lost seems to be about destiny vs. free will and faith vs. science. And while I'm rooting for free will to win out, as I believe we can change our fate by making the right decisions, I realize there's no way that I can change my current life by going back in time or making decisions in the future that will change my past.... or is there? If I choose to convert to a specific religion and have pure faith in that, would it not change the perspective of my past deeds?

Which brings me back to faith. I'm still not sure about faith or science. My brain says science, but so many things in my life tell me that faith (in something) makes a difference in your future outcomes. I'm sure the Lost creators were laughing at the quandary they forced us to consider.

I have come to stop trusting the showrunners to tell us the entire truth before or after episodes air. I can still count on them for great writing, terrific plot twists and wonderful cinematography, but I can't count on them not feeding us lies to keep a feverish fan base from imploding. In other words, anything can happen!

I really loved this finale. I'm on board about season 5, Mike! And now I am set to get (supposedly) all the answers in season 6!

Mike V. said...

Hello Miles! Wow, you've been on a tear since I last checked the blog lost night. No sense in my really commenting on most of this because you already have your answer to who the Man in Black is by now! lol As for my theories on the news. All I'll say is...I was really close! I was in the right ballpark with the man in black/jacob. lol As for the theory on what happened with the RESET, I may have been 100% correct or 100% incorrect. You're probably still waiting to find out. :-)

Good approach to take with the showrunners. I slowly got on board with the idea that there was no way to end this show in a neat tidy bow. But the writing was so good up until the end that I didn't matter. And, upon rewatching I was able to fill in my own answers even though they did a pretty good job themselves. They provided enough information for us to piece it together if we wanted to.

Glad you enjoyed the finale. As far as finales go, I still find it hard to top season 3's Through the Looking Glass. It was an entertaining episode, capping off the "season of others" in a fantastic way and set up the future of the series in an amazing way. I loved season 5's finale though. Actually, all of the finales of this show were incredible. They were basically movies on the small screen. Looking forward to seeing your thoughts on the final season!

aly said...

OK WOW WHAT. I know I’ve skipped commenting the past few episodes but damn that went by fast & was crazy! Here we go, thoughts up to this ep!

- Dan’s dead? That was it for his storyline? That can’t be it. We still need to know why he was crying when he saw the 815 wreckage underwater. We knew he had memory problems (I always suspected this is why he never remembered Desmond, not that he got a new memory of Dez visiting him in 1996 as you’ve commented in your blog) but he was crying *before* he ever visited the island, so how would he know about the 815ers? Unless he’s been travelling prior to that? Also did not except Widmore to be the father, that I am having trouble understanding! Also his mom is so cold.  Hopefully this is not the last of Dan!
- I think it’s pretty obvious at this point that Smokey is taking the form of the dead: Locke, Christian, Yemi, Alex, etc. I’m still curious about Claire & her state (alive or dead). Can Smokey take the form of 2 dead at the same time? So it turns out Christian was never speaking for Jacob, like I suspected, and was manipulating Locke & then Ben. The “war” must be Jacob vs Smokey. What the hell was that phrase that Richard spewed out in answer to the Ilana? And still, who the hell is Richard? He’s not as all-knowing as we thought, everything he told Locke was what “Locke” told him to do. Crazy!
- Locke has obviously had a bad, bad time. Richard saying he never seemed that special. Even him surviving the 7-floor fall seemed to be because of Jacob. He’s obviously chosen as a pawn in this war, but it seems like Jacob lost that pawn. Still, why did Jacob want to choose him to begin with?
- Ben is obviously just a pawn at this point too & doesn’t have any sides. What happened to him when they took him into the temple as a kid? Does Richard even have a side or is he a pawn too? Does Widmore, or he is just a pawn too? Or did he side with Smokey to try to get back to the island?
- Wait, hold on, just thought, if Ben is just a pawn, then why did he want Locke’s body back to the island? Wait hold on I just remembered, it seems that no one, not even Richard realizes Smokey takes the form of the dead… which is kind of surprising for them not to know… ahh I don’t know what’s happening at this point.
- I always had a dislike for Kate from the beginning, and I really didn’t like Jack either. I thought he was always overcompensating and the two of them liked to play the moral goody-two-shoes when neither of them are that GREAT and everyone seems to think they are. I thought Kate deserved Sawyer, a no-good con dude but wishes she was good enough for Jack. Lol now I think ughhh Kate & Jack deserve each other & Sawyer & Juliet are too good for them both. Though I don’t get the whole Desmond/Penny love that everyone else seems to have. I just never got that connected to Ben & was kinda rooting for Ben that he would kill her, because I’m such a big fan of Ben. He’s deffo my fav character on Lost.
- YAY VINCENT.
OK I have loads more thoughts but I’m still like WHAT THE WHAAAAT right now. I can’t believe we met Jacob. What the hell is the end game for Lost?? There’s only one season left! Do we get a bunch of mysteries & buildups & then all the answers crammed into the very last episode?

Also this weekend’s Breaking Bad episode is probably the best thing I’ve ever watched on TV so I’m pumped, haha.

Take care, Mike! See you soon, I can’t wait to watch the last season!

PS: Holy crap this comments section exploded! I definitely didn't read any of it. 200+ WOW! :)

Leta said...

I'm going to begin by saying that the writers of Lost are absolutely evil for leaving their viewers with this cliffhanger for freaking 9 months! It's so hard to resist just turning on episode 1 of season 6, but I want to think about it all for a bit. But you didn't have that option, lol. How did you manage?

You were right about season 5, Mike. It really was great, possibly my favorite thus far. I still think "Through the Looking Glass" was the best season finale, but this was fantastic as well. The ending alone'd have made it so - I sooo identified with that big "NOOOOOO!!!" you gave on that!

I really didn't expect Jacob to be a whole new character, someone we haven‘t met previously! This can‘t be the last of him we've seen. All this hype about him for I can‘t even recall how long, and the guy is gone in one episode? No way. And what about that crazy Not-Locke? I suppose we‘re to assume it‘s the Man in Black from the beginning of the episode, who‘s somehow taken Locke‘s form? If so, then you also touch on another point – what about Christian, who‘s also dead but showing up all over the place? Might this be Jacob, as you theorized, or his nemesis? And what about ol‘ good Smokey? Alex, who we suppose is a manifestation of Smokey, told Ben to follow Locke. I guess that means this entity, whatever it is, is not on Jacob‘s side?

I'd almost forgotten about Vincent by this point :) It was great seeing him again. Rose and Bernard too – I loved that scene. They looked so content, like they finally found their place – just like Juliet and Sawyer in Dharmaville. I couldn‘t help but feel a little resentful with the O5ers for coming back. All these people have been through so much, and when they finally manage to settle down, find a little peace and happiness - our merry band of troublemakers have to return and destroy it. I‘d love to at least have Rose and Bernard (and Vincent, of course) live out the rest of their lives peacefully together on that hut near the beach and not be troubled by anyone anymore. But of course we don‘t know what happens to all the islanders by the end of the episode!

And what about that BOMB??? Something sure must have happened when it detonated. Whether they managed to change things and never come to the island (which I still don’t believe will happen), be transported back to 2007, or something else entirely, I guess we’ll see next season. Otherwise all our Losties just became toast. But then there’d be no need for season 6 :)

Mike V. said...

Hmmm did I forget to respond to Aly before?? Whoops! I have a feeling I caught up with her in a later thread. lol

Anyway, @Leta

It was a pretty rough cliffhanger, but this episode ended exactly as I figured it would. I assumed they'd leave it up in the air kinda how season 1 ended before we got in the hatch. But, it certainly was tough to deal! lol As you can see, we had plenty of discussions in the thread and there was lots of activities before the premiere due to it being the final season. Comic-Con was fun that year. (I didn't go, but watched the youtube videos) There was even a premiere in Hawaii for S6 that streamed online which was pretty awesome.

Yeah season 5 was fabulous and now you know why a rewatch is totally worth it. Learning things about Locke/The Man in Black gives a whole new perspective for a lot of season 5.

We first heard Jacob's name uttered in season 3. So it's been awhile! All good questions on Fake Locke, christian Shephard, Alex and the Smoke Monster. I think many of us pretty much had it figured out before season 6 premiered. But you won't have to wait long to find out! But even once we found out we still had many questions as you'll see.

All good comments on Rose/Bernard/Vincent and resentment. It was great stuff.

As for what happened? Well you can clearly see from my posts and my interview with Tampa News (Thanks google search results for that! lol) that you and I were on the same page on what we thought would happen. I can't really say yet if we were right or wrong!

Don't forget to read my 23 Mysteries thread...and maybe even the Comic-Con thread before starting season 6. And remember to go into with an open mind that they wanted to tell one more story rather than answering everyone's list of questions. I think you'll enjoy it! I think bingers enjoy it much more than the people who obsessed over the details. I'm a rarity who was able to appreciate the details and the characters equally! :-)

Enjoy the ride!

Leta said...

I did check out Comic Con and 23 Mysteries, Mike. I'm trying to refrain from starting season 6 today, so I've been going through everything you wrote during the break between seasons. Comic Con videos were hilarious. Wonder what my neighbors thought when I was shrieking in laughter, lol.

The mysteries - I'm wondering about much the same things, but I won't mind very much if some relatively minor ones are left unanswered. It'll be fun to go back to that list after the final episode and see how everything turned out, though.

I'm intrigued about the format of season 6. From what I've seen of Comic Con, it looks they're promoting the idea that Jack and crew actually changed things. Like you at the time, I'm still convinced that won't be the case! I like your thought that maybe we'll get to see what'd have happened if they succeeded. That'd be neat.

Mike V. said...

It's starting to get to you isn't it? You only have a few episodes left and then LOST is over. I'd probably be in the same boat as you trying to hold off on starting it. But, I don't know if I'd have the same kind of willpower! But, it is great that there's a wealth of material to read before moving on. Of course, I'm sure the way a lot of it is structured it would spoil a lot where here you can follow along spoiler free for the most part! (Be careful in the comments of the penultimate final episode....comments were coming in droves before I could get the recap up...so I eventually posted a stop-gap post but some leaked into that penultimate recap)

After you're done the series....there is the Epilogue that was on the season 6 DVD/Blu....I have a recap for that (on the main page of the site) and I think I added a youtube link to it. That has more of the minor answers. And then on the 1 year anniversary of the finale, I posted another post dissecting some of the mysteries that I wished there was more info on....I had purchased the LOST encyclopedia so between that and my own thoughts (and some discussion) we figured out some pretty solid answers to some of those mysteries. Feel free to read all that when you're finished with the series.

All I can say is be patient with season 6 and just enjoy the ride. Even if you don't know what's going on (and you probably won't), there are some good stories told. It'll all come together eventually. There are 2 comments I made in recaps leading to the finale (in the actual comments sections). One where I pretty much called what was going on, but didn't believe it would be true so I disregarded it. lol The other where I pretty much predicted the final sequence of the show without knowing the details that would lead to it. Good luck stumbling upon those amongst the 200+ comments in each thread! :-)

Enjoy the final season! See you in the comments.

tarantino88 said...

Fantastic season overall! Probably the best for me so far, so I would rate seasons at the moment, best to worst, 5, 3, 1, 2, 4. Awesome finale, kept me on the edge of my seat for the whole hour and a half, just awesome!

I won't theorize much here as it would take me half a day, I will just say that I think we are in for a surprise who is the good guy and who is the bad one between Jacob and the dude in the black shirt. Smoke monster, IMO, works for or is the manifestation of the black shirt dude himself, and Christian Shephard... I have no idea is he Jacob or the other dude or no one of them. How and why Ben is able to summon Smoke Monster, I have no idea, but one thing I'm certain, Smokie is there to protect the Island, and if Smokie is the guy in the black shirt himself... well, he must be the good guy then, right? Because for me, whoever tries to protect the Island, is the good guy, because, I say again, for me, the Island is the main character on this show. That's only one of the reasons I think Jacob is indeed the bad guy, like Hurley said. Jacob also seems to me like more cocky, childlish, arrogant while the other dude is just, well, grown up, serious man! I don't know if that all makes sense, but yeah, just my two cents!

But putting aside all time travels, Jacobs, monters, statues etc... best part of season 5 for me is reliving Dharma Initiative life on the Island first hand. I loved every second of it, every Sawyer nickname, every Hugo and Miles convo, all of it! Getting to see Orchid station history, building the Swan station, dr Chang himself terorizing subordinates, Radzinsky going lunatic in every scene etc... brilliant stuff.

As for your appearance on the TV goes, congrats dude! I don't know what were you ashamed of at the time, but you seem completely cool to me. Whether your theory on Christian is correct though, well, I'll have to wait and see. Cheers until I get myself to write something again, whether it be after season 6 finale or maybe earlier :)

Mike V. said...

Hello again Tarantino!

I can't argue with you for ranking season 5 up top. I really loved it as well. I'm not even sure where I rank each season anymore (except 2 is probably last even though it's when my obsession grew enough to start a blog about the show! Just doesn't hold up as well in rewatches due to milking the story the most of all seasons over 24 episodes). Still very good though!

5 though I always say is the best season to rematch from start to finish and it might be the most complete fleshed out story from start to finish.

I don't want to give anything away on Jacob vs. The Man in Black...but those are all good questions and theories. I will say that once you get to know people on this show it seems like they all have flaws and motivations for why they are the way they are. That's the whole point of the character studies the show does on every character. Flesh them out a bit. Will they do that for Jacob and MIB? Time will tell!

I'm with you on the DHARMA stuff...it was awesome, it was a great new perspective for the show that had exhausted flashbacks and flash forwards.....why not just have the characters EXIST in the past to show Rousseau, DHARMA and JUGHEAD!! And the whole concept of the self-fullfilling result of them being on the island. Locke caused Richard to investigate him before he even went to the island. And of course....Jack and crew brought jughead to the hatch causing an incident that would eventually result in them crashing on the island when Desmond doesn't push that button. That's just awesome stuff! It was their destiny to end up there for whatever reason.

Thanks for your kind words about my TV appearance. I'm not the greatest public speaker (obviously I excel in the written word!! lol)..so I was a bit self conscious about seeing and posting that video. And at the time, I didn't have time to gather my thoughts because it was right after the episode aired...so I just had to go with whatever was on top of mind. It was an out of body experience. lol Looking back on it in hindsight...well, I can't say on if it was accurate or not but I will say I'm more comfortable with what I decided to talk about!

Lesley said...

Phew that took some reading!
Juliet noooo! My favourite character gone. Loved the Lost poster behind you in the interview. I am impressed you could do it straight after the show and it's good to see a face to the name. I feel like we are family on here and seeing you progress from fiance to husband (and did I see in more recent comments you have kids too?) is lovely.
BTW I am reading this while the Blues Brothers is on TV just as one of your bloggers mentioned it! Oh and was that Grandpa Ray playing the Nazi leader in it?
Great post as always. I love reading all the the little extra snippets I didn't notice or didn't appreciate the significance. Like the theories but I don't go there myself I just let it unfold. It's about scary that I remember so little of it until it happens! My excuse is I've done a lot of living since 2009!

Lesley said...

No it wasn't. Henry Gibson was Blues Brothers Raymond Barry is Grandpa Ray. Now you know why I don't theorise on the big stuff
:)

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