Monday, May 24, 2010

LOST: Discuss "THE END" Until the Recap is Ready

Hey guys, obviously this recap is going to take awhile, so I wanted to give you the opportunity to start discussing your reactions to the episode.  I'm not going to be able to respond to anything here because I'll be busy writing!  I may chime in here and there but it will only delay the recap!

So enjoy and I'll get the recap up probably late in the morning.  Okay, so it went up at 3:30 pm!  I'm sorry!!  Here's the link.  See you then!

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LauraG said...

The endings of tv shows that people love will never satisfy all the viewers because everyone watches the show, and takes from it, something different. We got the ending the writers wanted to write.

Frankly, if you keep looking for answers to trivial questions, your going to miss the journey.

Anonymous said...

"Actually, I do not think it is SO clear that the island was real and it was not all in Jack's head. All we see at the end is him dying. For all we know it was all in his head and this is him after being thrown from the plane and it was all in his head right before he dies. I would not say this is 100% clear.

Are you trolling?

If you really believe that, then do this. Watch and observe what Jack was wearing in the original pilot. Hint - he had a suit on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoaRzEMpya0

Next, go watch what he was wearing when he died. Was it a suit? No. He is wearing a T shirt.

Did he get thrown from the plane and then quickly change outfits before he hit the ground?

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C Cuse

gnni4 said...

Mike, will you post the recap over this one, or make a whole new post? There are already 377 comments, even more if we take into account Florin and the hater annonomous from last night and you haven't even gotten the recap up! Guess you can easily make your 700!

Will you comment to let us know when the recap is up?

I feel like I need a nap, but then there will be a couple hundred more comments to read through to catch up!

Also, you nailed the eye closing, that was great!

crashriprock said...

I think Sayid and Shannon should have been given some more Hotel Notel quality time before they had to move on to the Big House

Weasel said...

Crash, now you are just getting annoying. You are not THAT funny. Get over yourself...

Eric said...

The common factor to people that like or disliked the ending is that it was very touching, and that they cried during many of the scenes.

I have a heart, but scenes that make one cry doesn't make this a great season finale. Cry simply doesn't = good show.

I totally get that the flashsideways was purgatory, and that everything that happened on the island, and off the island were real. I also get that the flashsideways was a complete DISTRACTION! At no point over the past 6 years were people intrigued, or questioning what happens to these characters after they die. The flashsideways didn't even start until this season! You mean to tell me that you abandoned all of the questions you had regarding the island itself, not the people, but the island itself and took the bait of an entirely different storyline and plot???? I did not, therefore I think it was a lousy ending.

Anonymous said...

The flash-sideways were Purgatory, not the island. The island was real! Christian said that everyone died, but not at the same time. Juliet died in the hole, Locke was strangled, Shannon was shot, Sayid blew up, and so on, and so on. Basically, after they died they went to a place where they could spend some time, unbeknownst to them, searching for what really mattered in their lives. What we saw in the flash sideways was them finding the people that mattered most--and then remembering their lives and the most important events in them. Hurley and Ben apparently protected the island for a long time after jack died--that's what the last line between them was about. “live together, die alone." but Christian rebuked Jack: "Nobody dies alone." and when it was time for Jack to die, and everyone had gone, he was sure he'd been vindicated. But Vincent came out of the forest and laid down next to him. He didn't die alone."That's pretty much it. The island was real. Jack died on it, Kate, Sawyer and a few others got off, and Hurley protected it with Ben serving as his Richard. Because they all preserved the Light, it was left there for them to go to eventually after they all got around to dying. Also, Kate told Jack "I've missed you for a very long time". That was in reference to him dying as they flew off the island and her living for a very long time after. I found it awesome how Hurley mentioned to Ben before they entered the church. "You were a good number 2." and Ben, "You were a great number 1". That implied to me right away that Hurley and Ben lived a long time after.... all in all, I thought it was a great, great ending."

Lauren said...

Jack wasn't thrown from the plane after the original plane crash in a crew neck navy t-shirt, this is a clear giveaway that he his dying after having lived on the island. He watches how his friends fly away on the Agira plane, and yes Vincent is there, but this is not the same scene that we open with in "The Pilot".

See for yourself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s96iG2lwam4

Cult Status Gallery said...

My take on the L O S T finale: People would just love to believe that is what happens when you die, that you get to live out some surreal fantasy in heaven -- it is no different than saying that dead terrorists actually get to have 76 virgins in the afterlife. Sorry, I don't buy it. When you die, you die. The afterlife is a made up story to help people not fear death as much. The End.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nWTgvT6DKI

Rukshan said...

I think it all makes perfect sense. The island is real, the time spent there was real and the crash itself is what we saw and followed till the end.

When the plane crashed there was already a dead body, Christian Shepperd.He was the 1st one to move on to the "alternate time lime/Purgatory/flash side ways" there for he was the 1st ghost we saw. Once they all eventually died, they met at the end, and as he was the 1st to die, he was the 1st to move on in to the light.

crashriprock said...

dont worry weasel
Tonight when the sun goes down and the fire burns up the last of my ashes I will go away.

However I since there is already one poser here named C Cuse

I might come back as
X CUSE

BigJay88 said...

E-Bohm. Remember when the woman who raised Jacob said to Jacob's birth mother stop asking questions it will only lead to another question?
All your questions will lead to more questions. Even if they said God created the light for man, or some BS, then who his God? These questions can never be answered. Plus would you want such a great show to be confined to one thing? Not your fault though, it's human nature to want answers and be able to label things. In the end it's about the journey not the answers.

LauraG said...

In the poll, the majority of people voted 1. hated it, or 2. hated it, but can live with it.

That's really significant.

Was there really an ending that the fans would love? If so, what would it have been for you?

I loved the ending, but I don't care about details and am usually along for the ride.

Kaylen said...

@ Keith & Gigi: I totally agree with everything you said :)

crashriprock said...

lauren G
to be honset and not funny.
Resolution for mortals isnt Heaven.

Maybe if you are Clarence (the Angel) from Its a Wondeful life it is.

But this lacked resolution that could have been utilized better.

Anonymous said...

does anyone know if mike v is still alive? do we think he passed out on his keyboard from recap overload?

E-Bohm said...

I get it it that we wont get all he answers but until this season it has been all about the characters and the islands mystery. We then get the fsw which was billed as what would have happened if no bomb went off. After all this we get a copout. I loved The episode but if this is the angle they wanted to go in, they should have made it more crystal clear and not tried to play a shell game by telling us the fsw was something completely different then what it was, just don't say anything if that is the case.

Cult Status Gallery said...

Oh, and did anyone else hate the Jimmy Kimmel thing? They were touting the 'alternate endings' all week and I was so excited to watch them, just to be duped into watching another hour of drivel and the 'alternate endings' were just a big not funny joke.

chewy said...

so if jack can bleed from his neck where he was cut how come others dont' show signs of injury in the flash sideways/purgatory? if Kates shoulder was bleeding similarly to jacks neck that would have been very interesting and shown that others are going through the same thing, i.e. dead/dealing.

Anonymous said...

A clue:

If the events on the island were real, why did the producers go to such an extreme putting Jack in the same place and position he was when we first met him as he lay dying?

A question for you Losties. I believe we saw that tennis shoe hanging in the bamboo when we first met Jack. I don't have the DVD, but can someone review that and determine if that sneaker was identical to the one we saw in the closing scene? Seems to me that if significant time had passed, the producers would have been with it enough to show that shoe having aged considerably. If the shoe looks identical now, that would seem to me to be a clue that no earth time had elapsed between the 2 scenes. Anyone?

Anonymous said...

what happened to "posted by late morning"? Its friggin 3:30PM!

crashriprock said...

Cult
If purgatory Lets Bob Neuhart end up in bed with Evangeline Lilly

Book me on the next flight to Sydney

Mike V. said...

Hey guys...I'm so sorry for the delay....the RECAP IS UP! If i ever get a chance, I'll read these 400 comments to see what I missed! lol

http://www.lostaddictsblog.com/2010/05/lost-season-6-episode-17-18-end.html

Chris said...

Mike - Thank you. This is my first year reading your blog I enjoyed it very much.

You mentioned at 2:38 the following:
"They all died at different times in their lives. Claire probably got off the island and raised aaron....kate had a life...sawyer had a life... "

Any thoughts that the plane crash shown at the end was their plane? It did have explosives on it and was never brought up last night....

Thanks again... Great Job...

Mike V. said...

Hey Anonymous complainer about it being 3:30....you can NOT read it if you want. Or you could thank me for the effort I put into it ALL FREAKING DAY!

Mike V. said...

Thanks Chris! All of my thoughts are in the blog...but I assumed that was the ajira plane LEAVING the island!

crashriprock said...

Ajira is Hindu for Island
but I guess you guys already knew that

Thomas said...

First, I loved the final episode, just not the final 15 minutes. Personally, I thought it was a let down, although, I liked the idea behind it. Just wish they would have done more. But can't please everyone.

Second, one question I've seen asked here a few times that no one has offered an explanation for (sorry if I missed it, haven't read ALL the comments yet) "Why didn't Jack or Desmond turn into the smoke monster when coming out of the hole?" Simple answer, the smoke monster is dead. After the plug was pulled and the light went out, he became human. (Notice the surprise when he bled after Jack hit him in the mouth.) He was then mortal. He died at the base of the cliff.

The only treat in the hole is now the extreme electromagnetism, to which Desmond was immune. And we can assume that Jack now was as well, after becoming like Jacob?

Mike V. said...

Recap is up guys!

Anonymous said...

If the show was just about the characters, then why didn't they just have relationships in suburbia or something? The compelling thing about the show was NOT the relationships, but the island and the mysteries surrounding it. That was what made the show interesting and those are questions that should have been answered. The writers made all of it up and wrote whatever they felt like into the episodes so at the end they could say it was about the "relationships" - what BS. If you want relationships watch a soap opera.

Anonymous said...

One thing no one has commented on deals with final fight between Jack and Flocke. Flocke was in his traditional black, but Jack representing the 'white' was in a dark blue t-shirt. That whole "black and white" theme seemed to be ignored.
The 'color' things appears to me again when the dog lays next to Jack. Does not the color of the coat remind you of Jacob's tunic color?

Eric said...

@Anonymous 3:59PM

I agree, I agree, I agree. If this show was presented as an episode about characters and relationships then I would not have gotten into it. I understand it's a necessary component to a story but I'm more of a storyline person than relationship story. There is a way to write that. Tolkien did it great in the Lord of The Rings.

In the end I'm about the story...just my opinion.

FOUND said...

Well, I thought it was amazing. Sure I have questions that were not answered, but I am not sure in the end they all needed to be answered...such as life. I will be the first to admit, there were many "morning after Losts" that I kept saying, I know why they call it LOST, because that is exactly what I am!" After a few seasons, I realized I always felt that way when I was over- analyzing and not just stepping back and listening and watching enjoying the story unfold.

We don't get all of the answers here in this life. My children ask me things that I sometimes absolutely cannot answer. somtimes the only answer I can give is one day when we get to heaven, perhaps we can ask God. We all know there are are things that only He can answer

...so could the writers/producers answer everything in "Lost's 6 year Life?" perhaps , but I don't think so..

The island, (which did happen) was nothing more than a snapshot of life. It was people struggling with relationships, past issues, and the dilemmas and daily survivial that we all experience in this earthly life. While the island and it's story was full of symbolism and mystery...some of it may have not had any significance in the end other than to entertain (polar bears!)

As Jacob said of the candidates they were broken as most of us are. The island was a place where many of them met their deepest darkest problems head on (e.g. John Locke and his Dad/Sawyer and then con man)
I believe the flash sideways was a type of "purgatory" or holding place for those who are passing over. The image of Christian , walking Jack into the room full of those with whom he had endured so much was simply awesome. The Light that shone in when he opened the doors to the church was comforting to me and should be to those who have lost loved ones in death. The literature about near- death experience tells us that those who are at death's door experience the "light" and the warmth of familiar spirits (family, friends, etc..).

Sure there are other ways it could have ended, but I was pleased. To see the loved ones all reunited with those they had lost, the pain lifted and a peace that you could truly feel was good enough for me.

Mike V. said...

Just did a quick search for my name in these comments...some funny stuff guys! LOL I think you for your concern on if I was alive or passed out or whatever! It definitely was a tough one to recap!

lol Sorry I missed so much discussion, but I'm guessing it could be summed up into 2 camps for the most part :-)

FOUND said...

Well, I thought it was amazing. Sure I have questions that were not answered, but I am not sure in the end they all needed to be answered...such as life. I will be the first to admit, there were many "morning after Losts" that I kept saying, I know why they call it LOST, because that is exactly what I am!" After a few seasons, I realized I always felt that way when I was over- analyzing and not just stepping back and listening and watching enjoying the story unfold.

We don't get all of the answers here in this life. My children ask me things that I sometimes absolutely cannot answer. somtimes the only answer I can give is one day when we get to heaven, perhaps we can ask God. We all know there are are things that only He can answer

...so could the writers/producers answer everything in "Lost's 6 year Life?" perhaps , but I don't think so..

The island, (which did happen) was nothing more than a snapshot of life. It was people struggling with relationships, past issues, and the dilemmas and daily survivial that we all experience in this earthly life. While the island and it's story was full of symbolism and mystery...some of it may have not had any significance in the end other than to entertain (polar bears!)

As Jacob said of the candidates they were broken as most of us are. The island was a place where many of them met their deepest darkest problems head on (e.g. John Locke and his Dad/Sawyer and then con man)
I believe the flash sideways was a type of "purgatory" or holding place for those who are passing over. The image of Christian , walking Jack into the room full of those with whom he had endured so much was simply awesome. The Light that shone in when he opened the doors to the church was comforting to me and should be to those who have lost loved ones in death. The literature about near- death experience tells us that those who are at death's door experience the "light" and the warmth of familiar spirits (family, friends, etc..).

Sure there are other ways it could have ended, but I was pleased. To see the loved ones all reunited with those they had lost, the pain lifted and a peace that you could truly feel was good enough for me.

Mike V. said...

whoops...i meant "THANK YOU" not "THINK YOU" lol

fablady said...

Everyone keeps saying were mad at the ending cause we don't understand the island exists,well we do think it exists so why did it have to end with them in a church instead of on the island,that would of been a much better ending. Instead it came down to no sense,all the things that kept us guessing were never answered instead they made a mushy christian show,instead of the the great show it started out to be.

Anonymous said...

The ending was so stupid and predictable. Seriously, the people who said the writers could write ANYTHING into ANY episode and just never explain it are right on point. They just made up random crazy stuff and could have said sex toys were flying around or stuffed animals came at the cast with knives or whatever they felt like and just never explained it. You guys want so badly to believe the writers knew what they were doing, but clearly they could NOT tie everything together and came up with the most predictable and easy ending ever. So disappointed!!!

Kathleen said...

I thought the ending was great. This show was dealing with BIG themes. Given each of our own different belief systems, how could there be only one explanation that pleased everyone?

Life, death, purgatory, redemption, immortality, love. How could there be one clean ending that left no questions? It was beautiful, profound, head-scratching and awesome.

Thanks, Mike, for helping us through the twists and turns. It was all great fun.

Kathleen said...

Wasn't everyone at the church dead? We had seen each death, right? Or could assume the occurrence of the death. Wasn't Penney at the church also? How did she die?

And again -- Mike, you hung in there with us through thick and thin, took the bricks thrown at you, lost sleep. Thank you very much for all your time and effort! Your blog really made the show much more enjoyable for me. If there ever is another epic of this caliber, I hope you blog it for us.

Eric said...

I disagree that the allure of the show was because it dealt with "BIG" issues. The allure of the show was because there were strangers that crash landed on an island that had weird stuff happening on it.

Again, I believe the ending was fantastic for the last season of the show. Emphasis on the last season of the show. I'll state again that the flash sideways/purgatory wrap was great, but the flash sideways path didn't even start until the final season. This means that the intrigue of the show was all directed at seasons 1-5. This ending pretty much through out seasons 1-5 in regard to the actual plot of the island, and only kept the character relationships. In my opinion that made for a bad ending, because...let's be frank...I'm not a chic. I didn't sign up for a soap opera with some sci-fi in it and that is the true debate.

There are people that like soap operas and closure to character relationships are all that they care about, and then there are people that are story readers and writing, plot lines, and conclusions to the story are all that matters.

athomps said...

Has anyone thought about that possibility that Jack didn't die when he closed his eyes in that last moment? What if Rose & Bernard fixed him up like they did with Desmond? Obviously he eventually dies, but it could be much later. I'm just throwing it out there...I'm guessing if they make a movie or resume the story at some point in the future, they could do that as a way to bring back their hero.

Mike V. said...

@Kathleen - I almost missed these comments because they weren't on the recap. Not sure if you'll read them here or not. But all good points. Thanks for the props on the blog and you're totally welcome for the blog! Thanks for acknowledging my lack of sleep too :-) LOL We'll see where I am in my life when another EPIC SHOW such as this (could be never :-( ) comes along. I'd love to recap it in as much detail as I gave LOST! We'll see!

As for seeing everyone die...we most certainly did not! Desmond, Sawyer, Miles, Kate, Claire, Ben, Hurley, Rose, Bernard, Richard, Frank, Penny....they all lived on. Even Eloise Hawking survived off island! They all die in their own respective times...but then they all show up to Sideways at the same time....Christian said something to the effect of "There is no now"

@Eric - I think the allure of the show was a combination of the mysterious island and plane crash....But I still say closure to these characters we followed for 6 seasons was very important. I think they did a great job tying this into the previous seasons. Yes, there are questions about the Island's history and scientific components that got left out. And they may get answered in due time (Encyclopedia, DVD/Blu Ray extras, Expanded Universe Novels, dare i say it "movies" lol, etc...) but I agree that they needed to close out the story of these characters in the end. I have my gripes about some of the mysteries that they skirted over...but I've made my peace with it for now. And, I'm no Chick either....but I do enjoy emotional storytelling and CARING about these characters. I loved FlashForward, but the difference between that and LOST was....LOST put the focus on character development with mythology as a backdrop....FlashForward put the mythology front and center and we barely cared about anyone! It does make quite a difference in the way the show resonates with viewers, fans and over time. My opinion of course.

I apologize, btw for everyone that commented here. I may get to reading all of these one day....but it's going to take awhile! Plus, I know a lot of them were immediate reactions to the episode, and maybe after some thought...you have come back and commented on the recap since then!

But thanks for coming to the blog everyone! For all of your props on the blog and thank you for sharing your thoughts and joining in on the great LOST discussion (for good or for bad!)

Miles Balzard said...

Since you asked me in an earlier reply, Mike, I'll let you know that I've been following the Lost Addict Blog posts by clicking on the "Newer Post" links at the end of each page rather than using the episode links in the sidebar, so I've seen and read every single post you ever made on the show, in chronological order, up until the finale.

So obviously this comment is on the blog post you made before you uploaded your recap of the series finale. And I only came here after watching the finale and finishing the whole series, so all worries about spoilers mean nothing to me now.

I'll save my thoughts on the finale for your actual recap page (which I've already read), but I had to add my own comment here too, just to react to the wildly different opinions of your readers before you posted the recap. Believe it or not, I read every comment on this blog post (all 443 of them)! It was amazing to read what people thought of the finale right after it aired. And it was funny to see you trying to keep up with the comments while trying to write the recap! I'm guessing you were lucky if you got three hours of sleep that night.

In the middle of the night, you wrote "Oh no! I reached the quota on posting pictures! I don't know what to do for the rest of the recap!" Despite your panic, it seems like you got in all the pictures you needed to for the recap, brotha! Man, I can just imagine how badly you wanted to write a proper send-off for the series finale. It had to be perfect, yet it had to get posted as soon as possible because all your readers were clamoring for it and making hundreds of comments on your "placeholder" post!

And what a bunch of comments there were!

I'm sure we'll talk more about the public's perception of the finale after I post a comment on the finale recap, so I'm sorry if I'm dividing that discussion between two blog posts, but I can't resist noting how exhausting it must have been for you to try to defend the show from so many people that not only didn't get the essence of Lost, but people who completely misunderstood everything that had happened from the first hour to the last.

But I'm spoiling my own perception of the show just by typing this. So now I'll go post a comment on the finale recap and tell you what I really think. As you've probably already surmised, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Mike V. said...

Miles, congrats! You did it!! I'll check out your finale comments in a few minutes. Just reading this one now and figured I'd respond.

All I can say is THANK YOU for understanding my position! You captured it pretty much exactly as I experienced it! I can't believe you read all of these comments. I don't think I have done that yet! lol But it was and continues to be frustrating to come in contact with people who didn't even understand the finale. It's okay to not be happy with how it ended, the only think that I demand is that people UNDERSTAND how it ended before they hate it! lol

Heading to the comments of the finale recap now, but I must give you a major kudos for essentially predicting what Sideways was in one of your comments. I had to restrain myself when you made that prediction! I did make a throwaway theory in the same direction at one point but it went unobserved by commenters! But I totally called the ending sequence of the show. I figured we'd get some kind of montage of scenes between sideways and island...Giacchino's life and death would be playing as Jack closes his eye for the final shot. NAILED IT! lol

Okay, on my way to the recap.

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