Oh yeah: http://lost.abc.com/ Go there, explore, live it, love it! (eventually, I'm just going to do away with this link!)
Alright, so let's get into it. It's hard to break this one into storylines because all of the castaways kept interacting with each other. But we'll try!
So Hurley's flashback was just adding some more depth to the tragedy behind his character. We learned a bit more about things we heard about before, or just saw. And we got to meet Hurley's Dad. Here's what transpired:
- Hurley used to be thin! We found out that his father abandoning him for 17 years and giving him a candy bar as a parting gift was what put Hurley into a downward (or upward if you consider his weight) spiral. The Candy Bar is a Glacier Candy bar which kinda ties into the whole Polar Bear mystery happening on the island.
- Oh yeah and Hurley's Dad is CHEECH!
- Let's see what else, we finally learn why Randy (Hurley's former boss) was both Hurley's boss at Mr. Cluck's (Season 2 - Everybody Hates Hugo) and Locke's Boss at the Box Company (Season 1 - Walkabout). Sure we had guessed previously. But now we see that once Hurley won the lottery and QUIT Mr. Cluck's, he bought it and then hired Randy. I guess we can assume once the Chicken shack blew up he gave Randy a job at the Box Company. Of course, this all must've transpired pretty quickly, because Hurley was practically on his way to Australia by the end of the episode. And Locke was heading to Australia when Randy was picking on him at the Box company. I think the timeline is a bit screwed up here, but maybe there is a piece of information we're still missing. I guess the detail is so minute, that no one will really care if it's a mistake. (I'm probably the only one that noticed!)
- Looks like Hurley's buddy Johnny (skinny guy from Road Trip) ran off with his girlfriend (the one he asked out in the Music Store) after winning the lottery. Just some additional info there.
- Hurley apparently hired the cooks from Bennigans as his butlers. I thought this was fantastic!
- The Golden Jesus for Mom was a nice touch.
- Mom having "needs" was a bit too MUCH! But funny regardless!
- And speaking of that Chicken Shack blowing up. That was pretty crazy eh? We had heard about this in season 1's Hurley Flashback episode when we were finding out all of the bad luck he has been encountering. Now, we got to see it. And we got to hear him mix up Meteors and Asteroids again. But this just reinforces that there is CLEARLY some bad luck or a higher power that Hurley is encountering. Will we ever found out HOW this bad stuff is happening? Who knows? But it definitely adds to the mystery of the show!
- The bit with the psychic was hysterical. I'll admit, I kinda saw where it was going but having Hurley name the right price and the psychic caving was fantastic.
- And the overall theme of the flashback was to "Make your Own Luck" which inspires Hurley back on the island to try and "finally win one"
Hurley and the NEW Adventures of Scooby Doo (err Vincent!)
Well, I'm convinced after this episode that we need more episodes that put Hurley, Charlie, Sawyer, Jin, and even Vincent together! I mean, the comedy that ensued was fantastic. Maybe Sawyer was just going through withdraw on his name calling, but he was spatting them off like there was no tomorrow. The plot? Hurley wanted to get a VAN started because it would be fun...and life on the island has been anything but fun recently (harkens back to the good ol' days when Hurley created the golf course). Here's some comedy, and some other tidbits that came out of the whole thing:
- Vincent has returned!
- Okay, I can't even save the best for last. The nicknames? They were a wonderful thing.
Hurley - Snuffy (an old favorite), Jumbotron
Jin - "Someone here is hooked on Phonics!"
Charlie - Jiminy Cricket
Hurley Retaliates to Sawyer with "Red....neck......MAN" followed by a fantastic drunken "touché " by Mr. Ford.
Roger (The skeleton) aka DHARMA Janitor is called:
- Teaching Jin English all episode was a fantastic subplot. And bets are on to who will learn English faster. Jin or Hiro (from Heroes)!
- Speaking of teaching Jin English, 3 things a woman needs to hear? "I'm sorry" "You are right" "No, those pants don't look fat on you" Thanks Sawyer!
- Hurley, please define CRAFTY for Jin? "Crafty is like....when you're good at Crafts!"
- Anyone else craving some old Dharma Beer? Everyone except maybe Hurley who suggested it had been there since before Rocky III or maybe even II! Oh, I could keep going, it was great!
- All of the comedy around Roger the skeleton was just fantastic (i think i've used that word one too many times now!). Hurley being so nonchalant about it, Sawyer getting scared by the detached skull. Really, we needed this episode to feel good about LOST again!
- Hurley slapping some sense (literally) into Charlie was a good time. And it got Charlie out of his "I'm going to die" funk. Was Hurley's logic correct though that if they defied death in the VAN PLUNGE that death is not out to get Charlie? And what did Desmond mean when he said "That's not how it works" in reference to telling Charlie when he's going to die? I guess he has to wait to get one of his crazy flashes of the future.
- Not sure if this was intentional but when Hurley and Charlie were sliding down the hill in the Van they were heading straight to some BLACK ROCKS.
- So the song playing in Hurley's flashback and also when the 8-track player started working in the Van was Three Dog Night's "Shambala" Now, I have too much of a life (debatable!) to look into what this song is about and if there are any ties to the meaning behind all of LOST. But if you really want to find out more about it...you can go to this wikipedia link right here.
- Oh yeah, and we saw a new MAP! From the explanation on lost.cubit.net, it appears the DHARMA crew was looking to build a dirt road to the Swan station. And the Swan station is pretty detailed. You can click on the picture to enlarge or just go here for a larger picture
Plot Movement & Other Interesting Tidbits with the Castaways
- As Kate and Sawyer were returning to the island she gave him one last chance to apologize for saying that Kate prefers Jack. Sawyer refuses. I guess we can determine from the "Welcome Back Sawyer" comment (instead of James has she had been calling him) that whatever happened on Alcatraz 2.0, STAYS on Alcatraz 2.0. In other words....Jack is fair game for Kate again! (Too bad Jack is cozying up with Juliet!)
- Anyone remember why there was just a dart lying out in the jungle? Is anyone really intrigued to find out WHY it was there if we didn't already know about it? Yeah...I didn't think so!
- The reunion of Kate and Sawyer with the castaways was a touching moment, wasn't it? Kinda got the sense that everything would be going back to "normal" on the island. Except with Sawyer hugging everyone? That was kinda a bit strange. But at least it was soon followed by normal SAWYER...not "Tortured by the others" Sawyer.
- 2 Weeks in a row with Musical Montages! This one features our Couples: Jin and Sun, Charlie and Claire, Sawyer and his Dharma Beer and Hurley and the Van. Sawyer is obviously drinking his sorrows away and already misses the company of Kate. (So obvious, I'm not even sure why I wrote it!)
- I loved that the characters finally got each other up to speed (The braintrust of Locke, Sayid and Kate). Sometimes we're just meant to assume this happens. But I thought it served as a good reminder to even the audience of what was going on. A la...Michael and Walt have left the island (meaning we'll hear from them again eventually!), Eko's Death, Othersville, Karl. Was anyone else intrigued by Locke's fascination at the possibility that the others can get off the island? He is the one person that doesn't want to leave the island! Some people may see all of these details as space fillers and pointless, but I thought these "Catch Up" scenes were essential.
- And that leads to our big PLOT movement at the end. I'm confused to if Sayid was sarcastically commenting on Locke's "Compass Bearing of NORTH" and the explanation that the way the sun reflected off of Eko's Stick gave him the bearing. But apparently this all led to the explanation of why they haven't gone to look for Kate, Jack and Sawyer.
- I think we could've guessed that Kate would turn to Rousseau at the end of this episode once she said she was going to recruit help (if not Locke and Sayid, then who else could really help her?). Finally, someone remembers that Alex is the name of Rousseau's daughter and they TOLD her! Now, we may get to see whose side Danielle is on and if she DID know Ben before firing an arrow into his chest. But for now, the wheels are in motion to rescue Jack and Alex!
And that's that. As stated, I thought this episode was a much needed hour of comic relief with enough plot movement at the end to not make the episode totally pointless. As we should know by now, LOST moves at a slower pace than other shows to develop characters. If you are too frustrated with the snail's pace, then maybe waiting for DVD is the route for you! For me? I think 7 days between episodes is a short enough wait time now!
So next week is the big OTHERS episode. We get to meet Eye-Patch Man, maybe learn a little (or a lot) about the others and their connection to DHARMA. And of course we're going to start trying to rescue Jack! This is straight from the producers and not ABC, so I'm sure we can hold some weight in the words. But keep your expectations LOW because you'll only end up disappointed if you don't!
Hope you enjoyed the blog. Thanks to the NEW commenters for sharing your thoughts last week. Please keep it up. One day, my dream is that people will actually converse back and forth about the show in the comments! Ahhh and what a hopeless dream it is! Did I miss any of the good comedy from last night? Please share and see you next week!
Since Sawyer and Kate weren't around when the Hatch blew, then is the dart from the dart board meant to let them know that things have changed while they were away?
ahhh good point! That's probably what it was. Totally didn't think about that.
Interesting tidbit: Remember when Kate made fun of Sawyer for calling the show "Little House"? Well, Josh Holloway was supposed to play the role of Charles Ingalls in ABC’s Little House on the Prairie miniseries, but got switched out at the last minute, almost causing him to give up on acting...Looks like Sawyer doesn't mind making fun of himself either...
I agree Mike, it was the much needed comic relief episode before the 'Big' one next week with the Others and, simply to get back to the island and not see Jack shouting at someone this week was excellent!
Oh and a mistake in your Blog, Mr Vitullo...
"Robert (The skeleton) aka DHARMA Janitor is called:
You called him Robert at first...
"All of the comedy around Roger the skeleton was just fantastic."
Then Roger...doesn't really matter but worth pointing out that you are useless at remembering dead DHARMA guy's names!! :p
lol...thanks for pointing that out David. Well if anyone was one of the first 40 people to read the blog today, you may have caught some unnecessary EXTRA notes in the blog too where I mentioned obscene magazines and SCOOBY DOOOOOOOOO. Kinda embarassed that was sitting out in the blog for so long. I'll fix "ROBERT" now!
And didn't know that Joy...thanks for the tidbit!
Another good write-up Mike! Good episode - really enjoyed it. LOVED the Sawyer, Jin, Charlie and Hurley scenes!
I don't know what you mean about Hurley's Dad though?
Oh yeah and Hurley's Dad is CHEECH!
I saw the dart in sawyer's foot as an ode to the children's book about the mouse who takes the thorn out of the lion's paw. If you notice, Sawyer's mood did change toward Kate after she took the dart/thorn out.
As in Cheech Marin lol
Very nice observation with the DART. Never would've thought of that either!
Mike how about a link to CPTV on here?!?!
Loving the blog and now the Lost Family is all in sync an we are poised to watch the next episode together. My question was this: why have they not come across the VW van before? Are they exploring new parts of the island? Or did Hurley find this as he was coming back from the dock? I thought he was back already. Hmm. The Scooby Doo reference is great! I was also hoping they'd find something (other than beer) in the van that would give us more info (well, I guess there was the map) but there seemed to be a lot of junk in there -wonder what else might be of interest. Anyway, looking forward to finding out about eye patch man - and seeing OthersVille again.
okay, my daughter pointed out that Hurley was chasing Vincent who had the arm of Robert "workman" so it was Vincent that found the VW and was returning there. So, it was a place I guess our crew never went to before.
@LOST Family - looks like you're progressing right along in your LOST watching! As for discovering places they haven't seen before...I think that's something you're going to get used to when watching LOST. I'd say that the LOSTIES pretty much stick to the places they know unless there is a reason to expand outside of that comfort zone lol
And ROBERT Workman...I think i had a typo in the blog. I figured I would have fixed it by now...but if I didn't...it's a very important distinction to be calling him "ROGER" Workman. I won't spoil why. :-)
All I'll say is...this episode seemed so random when watching it .....even though I enjoyed every minute of it. Great Comedy. But, they pull what was learned in this ep into future episodes in a couple great ways!
Hi Mike... I'm a recent addition to the Lost family, watching on Amazon Instant Video and I always come here right when I'm done with an episode! Thanks for a great blog that translates years later just as well! As far as the dart... Wasn't there a dart board in the hatch? Maybe I'm crazy but I remember something of the sort there, and I just assumed it was scattered there from the hatch implosion. May be totally off. But still, I love it and I love this blog.. So thanks!
Hi Emily! So glad you found the blog and are finding it useful! I actually have finally started my lost rewatch this summer. First time doing it since the show ended. Still love it! You're totally right about the dart. I think someone eventually brought it up on the blog! Lol
Feel free to keep me posted as you go through and I'll comment on what I can and try not to spoil :). And the comments start picking up and the end of s3!
Thanks for reading!
This was a nice bounceback episode from the last one, but they made it easy on themselves because all they had to do was put Hurley on the screen for 50% of the show! Between Hurley, Sawyer and Charlie you knew this had to be as close to a bottle episode as there ever could be on Lost. I think it had more average laughs per minute than any Lost ep ever.
I didn't love everything, including parts of Hurley's own flashback, but anything and everything to do with the van was pure gold. It was such a thrill to see that rust-ravaged saltine-box of van careening down the hill at literally breakneck speed, not knowing - yet knowing - but not knowing, whether it would crash into the rocks, ride through the rocks (this is the island), or steer away from the rocks at the last possible moment.
What a triumph! Seeing the boyish joy in those four beard-stubbled, sweat-soaked men riding around in that beautifully hideous van brought a lump to my throat.
There was indeed also a good amount of plot movement and set up in the ep, even if they were all baby steps. I really look forward to the inevitable day that Rousseau is reunited with her daughter Alex.
And I'll always ship Kate and Sawyer, but I know this is a lost cause. Kate and Jack are destiny, no matter how many ups and downs and third wheels are thrown their way. In the end, Kate and Jack might not have a full-blown committed relationship, but I can't imagine the writers putting Kate and Sawyer together to ride off into the sunset (or hatch, or ocean, or the abyss, or whatever).
I always loved this episode of LOST. Not a whole lot happened, but it was one of the last times that the characters of the show could just hang out and do some bonding before the #$%$ really hits the fan and there's no play time left. (i.e. shorter seasons, less filler)
Plus...some things from this episode end up playing bigger parts in later episodes. But, the Sawyer/Hurley/Jin/Charlie stuff....I could've watched a whole show based on those 4 characters.
Roger Workman, Skeletor, teaching Jin English. I have fond memories of this episode!
Good analysis on the Kate/Jack/Sawyer triangle. I won't reveal anything! I will say though, Ana Lucia's character was originally written to complicate the Jack/Kate dynamic. But, when characters turned on Ana Lucia, they knew that wasn't going to happen. But, at least Sawyer got some! lol And of course, there is a little vibe between Jack and Juliet going on, but it's tough to know how sincere she is.
Hi Mike, Just wanted to say thanks for this blog. I had never watched an episode of Lost before last month (no idea why) and now I'm totally HOOKED. I'm burning through it on Netflix and I always come here after each episode to read your thoughts. Your previous comment about how this episode is the last one where the characters can just hang out together kind of bummed me out because I love episodes like this. This was such a welcome relief from the past few eps. That being said, I am looking forward to getting more answers as the season goes on. Anyway, just wanted you to know that your blog lives on in 2014!!
Thanks for the heads up that you're reading these Krista! There have been a few like you who have been catching up on the show later on, and stopping by to read the recaps. I'm glad they're a "gift" that keeps on giving after all of these years!
I didn't want to discourage anyone by making those comments...but at the end of season 3 they announced the final 3 seasons were agreed upon by ABC and the LOST team and they were 3 shorter seasons (as opposed to 2 22 episode seasons)....so that gave less room per season for eps like this. Of course, you and I are in a minority where episodes like this where there isn't much plot movement but great character development are sometimes desired! I feel like the more time you spend in character development the more payoff you get. And there's a helluva payoff to this episode later on. (a brief tease)
As far as answers, just remember to enjoy the ride more than hoping for a miracle answer to everything in the end!! lol There are plenty of answers in the 2nd half of the 3rd season that are very satisfying, but you have to imagine a show like this can only get crazier the longer it is on. But, it always stayed grounded with the characters which is essentially what makes this show tick. Really great cast, well developed characters, amazing writing. Just go on the ride with them, get invested....and don't worry so much about the answers. The answers that are important will present themselves! :-)
Granted, the whole point of this blog was for an interactive discussion on the details of the show. For people to theorize and discuss where it all may be headed. It led to some very engaging conversations. But, that was part of the experience of LOST. The interactivity of the viewing audience. There were some pretty amazing theories out there. But, in the end, we have to remember the writers had their own vision for the show too!
Okay, I'm rambling here. Enjoy the ride! Feel free to comment along the way, and I'll try to respond when I can. You'll see that I did the same for some of the other LOST stragglers. :-) Thanks for commenting!
Thanks so much for your response! I do feel like I missed out on a big part of the experience of Lost, since I didn't get to participate in the ongoing interactive nature of the show. That being said, I'm not sure I could have lasted so long between episodes/seasons. It's nice to be able to burn through the episodes and I think a lot of it probably makes more sense when watched quickly in succession.
I do love all of the character development. I also love how Lost plays with themes of fate, coincidence, connectivity and chance. How all of us are connected to each other in different ways. Great stuff.
I will take your advice and not be too concerned with nitty gritty plot stuff. I trust the team of writers to tell a good story, and won't set myself up with crazy expectations that can never be truly satisfied. I think that's why a lot of people were disappointed with the ending (I've heard a bit about fan reaction to the ending, but I don't know any spoilers of the actual plot). I'm just here for the ride!
Thanks again for responding. It's so nice to have a place to come and read about the episodes.
Oh and don't worry, I'm not discouraged by the comment about how this is one of the last eps where the characters can just hang out together. :)
I understand the constraints of a show with such a big story to tell. Especially with shorter seasons. I'll just miss moments like the wild bus ride, beer drinking and epic nickname calling (though I'm sure that won't go away).
No problem on the response! Tough to pass up a chance to talk LOST one more time. :) The waits were pretty brutal for each episode, and especially those long hiatuses between seasons 3-4, 4-5 and 5-6. It would end in May and not come back until January, sometimes February. But, it made it feel more like an event when it did return!
Binge watching probably does help with this show....I've rewatched seasons many times, and the entire series once since it ended. And you certainly focus less on the small stuff...like the stuff you see me focusing on in these recaps. Like I said, fun to discuss but not always important. Of course, a certain percentage of fans fixated on a lot of these minor details expecting a big payout for them. But by watching them all in a row, you get your next fix without having time to consider the endless possibilities (due to the mysterious nature of the show). So, there are pluses to both. Fortunately, for me...I was always able to enjoy it both ways. The deeper levels of discussion of possibilities of what it could all be about...but then just appreciate that the show itself was just a great piece of dramatic television. That's what I focus on in my rewatches! :)
Those themes you touch on are certainly recurring and it is a great part of the show!
Good to hear you're in the right mindset to fully appreciate the genius of LOST! Enjoy it!
There certainly are more moments between characters like the VAN thing..especially in season 3. But certain characters are always good for coming up with nicknames and say something funny here and there. That part of LOST was never "lost" in the later seasons and it's part of the reason the show was so great in the first place!
I loved this episode. It made me laugh so much and provided some relief from all the doom and gloom. Sometimes it's nice to have an episode where there is little plot movement. I couldn't care less how long it takes to move things along. I just love watching every episode.
Me too! This is one of the last episodes of the series where it seriously was just a filler episode. And it was the perfect way to do a filler episode. (and actually...it turns out that something from this episode does actually pay off in a later episode, but I don't want to spoil that.) If it wasn't for all the character development in seasons 1-3, season 4-6 wouldn't have worked. LOST is perfect due to how imperfect it was. We had to live with these characters to feel the stakes that continuously increase for them.
To agree with earlier comments, this episode was great and the van bit with sawyer etc especially... The bit where he named Workman as Skeleror was great and I was hoping to hear "I have the POWERRRRR!" and they got the van going!
I misheard the Jiminy Cricket reference and thought he had said Jimmy Cricket and I was wondering who would know who that was as he is fairly obscure outside UK but a fairly well known comedian from Northern Ireland on TV in the 80s who would do little more than his punchline of "come 'ere, there's more". It wasn't until I read the blog that I realised it the other J Cricket 😀
Annoyance of auto correct on my phone... Skeleror is not a thing... Skeletor!
These are the kind of episodes you miss when they go to the abbreviated seasons. Time to flush out characters and chill. Just enjoy their presence. But plot developments from this one surprisingly come back into play eventually! Loved the references to skeleton and cricket as well! Funny you misheard it!
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